Name one thing Christians were wrong about culturally

posted 2 days ago by MattTheBlack 2 days ago by MattTheBlack +57 / -8

I have been seeing alot of grumbling about Christians and complaining that Christian moral activism is returning.

Name a single part of social justice/woke culture that did not result from what Christians were warning yall about.

I guess some lessons will never be learned though. Society has just gone too far down the path of liberalism 🤷‍♂️

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 15 hours ago +1 / -0

Of course there was wokeness. Just not current day wokeness. And yes, the seeds are kinda important because wokeness isn't the disease. It's of one its symptoms.

Of what though?

Openly holding onto your pagan beliefs was something the Church tolerated by either forcing you to convert or simply killing you. But they were just saving them as otherwise they would've burned in hell for all eternity. Like Charlemagne did.

Forced conversions violated canon law. Alcuin of York pointed this out to Charlemagne. So they were vanishingly rare, and that is why Charlemagne's treatment of the Saxons is one of the very few instances you can cite.

Islam also didn't spread through violence. That's just a islamophobic conspiracy theory.

If you compare the two, you will see that they are not equivalent, as you seem to be arguing, but that Christianity spread much more peacefully. Both disapprove of forced conversions, Christianity for all, and all branches of Islam for monotheists and some for polytheists. But Islam mandates conquest for conversion, Christianity does not.

The religious strife between Catholics and Protestants had been going strong till the 20th century. It didn't break out into religious wars for the entire time but it seriously divided Europe. Look at Ireland.

Ireland is hardly the representative case, and it's as political as it is religious - because the religious issue is confounded with union with the UK vs. Ireland.

Christianity never managed to unite Europe or even just stop European Christian nations from waging war on eachother while the Caliphat was already getting comfy on European soil.

Yes, that is unfortunate.

Luther wouldn't have been possible if the Church hadn't been a corrupt, greedy, hypocritical and powerhungry institution that oppressed Europe.

There were many churchmen who were agitating for reforms within the church. What made Luther Luther is that he was a schismatic. The competition forced the Catholic Church to clean up its act more quickly than it otherwise would have been.

And if we look at the last century we can see quite clearly that the Churches were actually instrumental in spreading the seeds of current day wokeness. The Churches are actively involved in homoglobo and refugee trafficking.

Fake refugees, OK. But globohomo?

But I guess they're not "real Christians" just as Stalin, Lenin, Mao etc weren't "real Communists".

Political activists aren't "real Christians", no. But you can be a Christian while misguidedly advocating for so claled refugees, of course.

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– horstshort 1 point 13 hours ago +1 / -0

Of what though?

A pattern of overrepresantation that is very easy to find.

Forced conversions violated canon law.

Pedophilia violates canon law aswell. Unfortunately it doesn't stop priests from molesting kids or the Church and even Christian communities from protecting those priests. Collecting taxes to live in mindboggling luxury is also not something that Jesus taught if I recall correctly.

So they were vanishingly rare, and that is why Charlemagne's treatment of the Saxons is one of the very few instances you can cite.

So you are saying Pagans and non-Catholic Christians were actually tolerated under Christian rule and weren't persecuted for heresy?

Ireland is hardly the representative case, and it's as political as it is religious - because the religious issue is confounded with union with the UK vs. Ireland.

Christianity is political. That's inherent to the three monotheistic abrahamic religions. The only reason Christianity isn't acting more like Islam is because Christianity/the Church was neutered by the resistance of the European peoples. It's because Europeans are inherently different than Arabs.

The Church was for most its existence a political instution first and a spiritual one second. It has been and still is politically very active.

There were many churchmen who were agitating for reforms within the church. What made Luther Luther is that he was a schismatic. The competition forced the Catholic Church to clean up its act more quickly than it otherwise would have been.

What made Luther different is that he acted in a way that couldn't be ignored. The Church didn't want to clean it up its act which is why they choose violence first before they realized they had no other choice than to adapt lest they inevitably loose their priviliged status. They weren't misguided. They knew exactly what they were doing.

Fake refugees, OK. But globohomo?

Yes. Even Catholics are marrying homosexuals now. Christian institutions are pushing actively for globohomo bullshit. Some more than others.

But you can be a Christian while misguidedly advocating for so claled refugees, of course.

Is it misguided though or just actively practicing on Christian values?

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