Tommy Robinson wants to bring more indians in to UK.
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Sure, be he isn't a race traitor because he's a Jew and as we've established at length, Whites who are racially conscious don't consider Jews to be White, ergo why would we consider him a race traitor?
On the whole I'd say he's a net positive for Britain in that he at least does something to normalize the notion that it's ok for the British people to push back against an unending influx of people who want to kill them. Sad that such a thing needs to be normalized, but such is the hellscape that exists today.
i take it you haven't heard of the term "controlled opposition" before? there are way better people than Tommy Robinson but they are either in jail or are not given any media attention. Tommy Robinson is similar to Ben Shapiro in that he's propped up by the media to be the "voice" of the opposition instead of having actual legitimate nationalists be the voice of the opposition.
I'm well aware. However I think it's a tightrope for them to walk because once that seed of an idea is planted, it comes with the risk of the masses taking it for themselves and running with it and breaking free of their pied piper.
Because you know you are wrong, which is why you're constantly trying to look out for "jewish subversion", and why you accuse everyone you don't like of being a jew, like Tommy.
Look, I know it’s probably not worth trying to engage with you in good faith on this at all, but setting aside any question of whether Jews are particularly good or bad or anything for a society, they do see themselves as a separate ethnic group. Israel is predicated on this. Famous Jewish neighborhoods and enclaves like in Brooklyn are predicated on this. Be it Jews themselves, people who dislike Jews, or people who don’t really care but at least acknowledge obvious reality, the idea that an ethnic identity that is “a Jew” exists has never really been in dispute (except among those who are deliberately prevaricating). And without necessarily saying “whites shouldn’t get along with Jews,” I see absolutely no issue with saying “whites should be aware that ‘Jew’ is a distinct ethnic identity that has members that see themselves as distinct from the identity of ‘white’ and, in questions of group interests and group identity, whites should take that into account.” Because that’s simply true.
If you engage with me in good faith, you'll find my responses much different than, "shut up stormfag". That's my response because no National Socialist has ever yet interacted with me in good faith. Even the smart ones like Arch. It's actually infuriating.
So, here's my good faith response. Neither white nor jew is an ethnic identity. This is the problem of intentionally stuffing them into the wrong category.
Race is not an ethnicity, nor a religion. A race contains multiple ethnicities, and it may contain at least one religion. A religion is neither a race nor an ethnicity. A religion may contain one race, or it may contain multiple races given it's size. However, a religious sect typically only contains one race. Any religion of significance is typically multi-ethnic. An ethnicity may contain typically contains only religion. Races contain ethnicities, and not the other way around.
The hierarchy of familial categories that make nations from narrowest to broadest go as follows:
As such, jew is not an ethnos. It is a religious sect. Ashkenazi Jew is an ethnic group. Judaism is a multi-ethnic religion. White is race. It is a multi-ethnic race. White is sufficiently broad that it actually contains multiple religions, one of which is Judaism. This is why it "white jews" are not contradictory terms, it's race, then religion, with no ethnic group specified.
They sometimes see themselves as separate. Many jews integrated into the US to such a degree that it is used against them in Israel for being secular. German jews identified themselves as "Germans of a mosaic faith". If you are operating in bad faith, you assert an unfalsifiable position that every jew that integrates is a subversive, and every jew that doesn't is a separatist.
In many cases, particularly among Americans, they are simply wrong and are trying to avoid the category of being "white", while trying to benefit from being "jew", while pretending they are not white, and pretending they are jew, while not practicing Judaism.
At that point, they can be safely dismissed as a Rachel Dolezal level Leftist.
But you can make this same argument for a lot of groups. Not along exactly the same lines, sure, but it's totally reasonable to say that, for example, a person that is born and raised in the US but ethnically Japanese, or Indian, or Afghanistan may not fit well into the nation of their ethnic ancestors... but it also doesn't stop me from noticing that they do have this part of their identity that is different from mine. It doesn't mean they have to be my enemy or my ally, but it is healthy and appropriate to acknowledge it, especially if I am explicitly considering how different identity groups interact and what their incentives might be.
I also reject the idea that "white" should contain "Jewish." "White" is loosely "European," or at the very least it is in most of the contexts in which you will see it on this board, something you should very well be aware of. As such, it would not contain a Middle Eastern group like the Jews. If you argue "actually, 'white' is X category for Y reasons and therefore I can fit Jews into it," sure maybe you can make a coherent category that does that, but you're still not addressing the actual point being made when most of the posters here use "white."
You're doing that lying thing again. It makes you a bad person.
"racial consciousness" is not the sole possession of the National Socialists.
Sorry, Jews are a religion, and Whites are a race. White Jews, Black Muslims, same difference.
Jews are not solely a religion. You are being dishonest and therefore a bad person.
I don't understand why you struggle with this so much.