There's only a couple people who ever got close to being attacked this hard. They don't normally last. Unfortunately, the slander normally works, and as such, the victim either gets imprisoned or dies. On the other hand, a lot of the targets of this level of political aggression are actually people who aren't so innocent.
Randy Weaver (and his family) were quite clearly harassed for at least 9 years until the infamous Ruby Ridge incident. It's a long story, but for the most part, the FBI tried to make him an informant by trying to imprison him, failed, got into a gunfight, caused a complete shit show, and ended up shooting 2 additional family members from a sniper in one of the single greatest American shit-shows in all of Law Enforcement history. Randy's harassment was much lighter than Trump's most of the time, people literally harassing him verbally to his face, and working with the local government to make his life harder. He wasn't a big public figure so there wasn't a ton of slander before hand, and not much lawfare.
Alex Jones obviously comes to mind because he was the mock-run for Trump. But even then, Alex has only been pursued with lawfare around the Sandy Hook stuff. He's been slandered, but the amount of lawfare is much less than Trump.
After a certain point, we actually have to start looking into Leftist groups to find this level of lawfare and slander. There are some members of the Black Liberation Army that were legally pursued this bad... but they were actual terrorists that committed bank robberies, assassinated state's witnesses, and even murdered a judge. In other cases you have to go back to the early WW1 anti-war Socialists who were being locked up for protesting the war and things like that, but even they were less publicly defamed.
Really, Trump is a unique case because he's survived the longest, the defamation hasn't worked, and he's genuinely innocent.
I think you're conflating Jewel's story with someone else. He was accussed by the FBI and they tried all their shitty tactics to get him to give up his rights and confess to a crime he didn't commit. But he was never charged, the feds even released a statement acknowledging he was never formally connected to or charged with a bombing, it was a CYA move.
But he didn't kill himself he died from diabetes. He also got a public apology from Janet Reno. The FBI certainly treated him unfairly. I'm sure their methods caused some sap to self terminate but it weren't Jewell.
Richard Jewell who was the hero who managed to evacuate people away form a bomb planted at the Atlanta Olympics... he was harassed and persecuted by the FBI until he killed himself
Just a quick correction here, wikipedia says he died of heart disease complicated by obesity. Maybe you're thinking of another government persecuted individual?
Alex has only been pursued with lawfare around the Sandy Hook stuff.
It's pretty amazing how much this has stuck to him and how they're still successfully seizing his business over stupid random comments in a single episode of his show. I can understand the grifting families milking him for everything he's worth, but you'll still sometimes hear normies calling him a bad person for making the comments. Megan Kelly almost got cancelled over it. Who fucking cares about such random conspiracy theory speculation among all the other random nonsense shit they always talk about on Infowars? "The whole shooting was faked and they're all actors!" Who is hurt by that? It was such an obvious government-sponsored setup, it makes me wonder if there actually was something shady going on at Sandy Hook.
I’m not inclined to believe Sandy Hook was a hoax, because—as we’ve seen in other cases—“fail to stop some mentally ill person from committing a crime you’ve enabled/prodded him to commit” is a tactic they use, and it seems so much easier and has so much less risk than setting up a bunch of crisis actors to pretend for decades that a fake shooting happened. The only thing that makes me believe it may have been fake is the way they’ve gone after Jones for broadcasting exactly that idea. I suspect that that was more because it’s something they decided they could go after Jones on, rather than because of Sandy Hook specifically. If they could get sympathetic frogs claiming emotional damage, they would have sued him over the “turning the frogs gay” line.
Mpetey123 noted that I'm way off on Jewel. I clearly misremembered something.
I could see a defamation argument from the families if and only if anything that they claimed Alex did actually happened, but there's no evidence, and there's been nothing of the sort. If he actually told people to harass family members for being federal agents, then I could see some kind of civil action. But there's nothing of the sort. Basically, the closest I think he ever got was calling one of the father's sick for politicizing the shooting, and saying it was suspicious. There were people on his show that called it fake, but then that's not him committing defamation. The men who actually claimed it was fake, were never sued, which really shows how worthless the case is.
I was under the impression that he's still in the process of appealing the decision, but that can't come until the current argument about the money is settled.
There's only a couple people who ever got close to being attacked this hard. They don't normally last. Unfortunately, the slander normally works, and as such, the victim either gets imprisoned or dies. On the other hand, a lot of the targets of this level of political aggression are actually people who aren't so innocent.
Randy Weaver (and his family) were quite clearly harassed for at least 9 years until the infamous Ruby Ridge incident. It's a long story, but for the most part, the FBI tried to make him an informant by trying to imprison him, failed, got into a gunfight, caused a complete shit show, and ended up shooting 2 additional family members from a sniper in one of the single greatest American shit-shows in all of Law Enforcement history. Randy's harassment was much lighter than Trump's most of the time, people literally harassing him verbally to his face, and working with the local government to make his life harder. He wasn't a big public figure so there wasn't a ton of slander before hand, and not much lawfare.
Alex Jones obviously comes to mind because he was the mock-run for Trump. But even then, Alex has only been pursued with lawfare around the Sandy Hook stuff. He's been slandered, but the amount of lawfare is much less than Trump.
After a certain point, we actually have to start looking into Leftist groups to find this level of lawfare and slander. There are some members of the Black Liberation Army that were legally pursued this bad... but they were actual terrorists that committed bank robberies, assassinated state's witnesses, and even murdered a judge. In other cases you have to go back to the early WW1 anti-war Socialists who were being locked up for protesting the war and things like that, but even they were less publicly defamed.
Really, Trump is a unique case because he's survived the longest, the defamation hasn't worked, and he's genuinely innocent.
I think you're conflating Jewel's story with someone else. He was accussed by the FBI and they tried all their shitty tactics to get him to give up his rights and confess to a crime he didn't commit. But he was never charged, the feds even released a statement acknowledging he was never formally connected to or charged with a bombing, it was a CYA move.
But he didn't kill himself he died from diabetes. He also got a public apology from Janet Reno. The FBI certainly treated him unfairly. I'm sure their methods caused some sap to self terminate but it weren't Jewell.
Yeah, fuck, I must have completely missed that. Thanks for pointing that out.
Just a quick correction here, wikipedia says he died of heart disease complicated by obesity. Maybe you're thinking of another government persecuted individual?
It's pretty amazing how much this has stuck to him and how they're still successfully seizing his business over stupid random comments in a single episode of his show. I can understand the grifting families milking him for everything he's worth, but you'll still sometimes hear normies calling him a bad person for making the comments. Megan Kelly almost got cancelled over it. Who fucking cares about such random conspiracy theory speculation among all the other random nonsense shit they always talk about on Infowars? "The whole shooting was faked and they're all actors!" Who is hurt by that? It was such an obvious government-sponsored setup, it makes me wonder if there actually was something shady going on at Sandy Hook.
I’m not inclined to believe Sandy Hook was a hoax, because—as we’ve seen in other cases—“fail to stop some mentally ill person from committing a crime you’ve enabled/prodded him to commit” is a tactic they use, and it seems so much easier and has so much less risk than setting up a bunch of crisis actors to pretend for decades that a fake shooting happened. The only thing that makes me believe it may have been fake is the way they’ve gone after Jones for broadcasting exactly that idea. I suspect that that was more because it’s something they decided they could go after Jones on, rather than because of Sandy Hook specifically. If they could get sympathetic frogs claiming emotional damage, they would have sued him over the “turning the frogs gay” line.
Mpetey123 noted that I'm way off on Jewel. I clearly misremembered something.
I could see a defamation argument from the families if and only if anything that they claimed Alex did actually happened, but there's no evidence, and there's been nothing of the sort. If he actually told people to harass family members for being federal agents, then I could see some kind of civil action. But there's nothing of the sort. Basically, the closest I think he ever got was calling one of the father's sick for politicizing the shooting, and saying it was suspicious. There were people on his show that called it fake, but then that's not him committing defamation. The men who actually claimed it was fake, were never sued, which really shows how worthless the case is.
I was under the impression that he's still in the process of appealing the decision, but that can't come until the current argument about the money is settled.
there was a guy that was harassed by reddit until he killed himself. I think it was terrorism related. ICR though.
Jewell was harassed by the old fashioned media, somewhat pre internet.