[Sinfest] Appalachia II
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You think Christian morality was any better when it came to pillaging, raping and murdering? Especially when it came to heresy? At least the Vikings were honest and didn't pretend to be holier than thou while committing atrocities.
Unironically yes.
Where you see raping and pillaging, you see a catholic priest typically behind making post hoc rationalizations why it's totes okay this time. For Protestants, it would be the king explicitly doing the same thing after he's seized control of the church or declared himself the sole representative of God.
For the Norse, it was standard, it was common place, and it was moral to do so without justification.
So making religious excuses for your despicable actions makes those actions better? When I pillage a village because I admit it is because I want to rob them of their wealth it is bad but when I pillage a village and rob them of their wealth and excuse it away by saying they're dirty heathens it is better? That would make ISIS the most moral people on Earth.
They always had justification. Acquiring wealth and valuable farmland. And as the Christian clergy was so moral that they hoarded immense wealth they were the prime target for Norse raiders.
Yes because it shows that you need an excuse to do it instead of it being so normalized that you don't have an ounce of hesitation to even question doing it in first place.
Like, you see how a random person needed God to justify it before he went and started committing evil to be different from someone who just did it on his own, right. It doesn't make either good, it just makes one worse than the other.
For the people we're talking about violence is so normalized that they don't question their actions in the slightest. I'm not sure if you are aware how normal extreme violence was during that time.
Yes. One is honest, the other is hypocritical. Because in the end they both did it for the same exact reasons. Be it greed, rage or simply bowing down to authority.
And that's where we seem to be of very different opinions. I take honest evil over hypocritical and deceitful evil any day of the week.
On the one side you had the Norse who pillaged and conquered themselves for their own greedy gains. On the other side you have an organised religion who pillaged and conquered to live in disgusting luxury but manipulated others into doing it for them while shrouding themselves in moral superiority.
The Church spilled more European blood than probably any other group. And don't deceive yourself into thinking that they ever did it for noble reasons.
You don't know anything about ISIS, then. They've never run apologetics for what they do.
We're not talking about "apologetics" we're talking about justification.