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When was the last time you came across a soft spoken and submissive female character in Western media?
posted 231 days ago by yoisi 231 days ago by yoisi +76 / -1

i can't think of any within the last 50 years. Even in the 1990's and 1980's female characters in Western media were pretty much all girl bosses.

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– fauxgnaws 8 points 231 days ago +8 / -0

Not very many.

Ariel in The Little Mermaid (1989) is maybe the only actual traditional feminine character I can think of. Her special power is she's marriage material.

Rita in Groundhog Day (1993). Although she's literally the boss Phil loves her because she's chaste and sweet.

Some indie films like Buffalo '66 (1998) and Secretary (2002) have women that are certainly not feminist icons. Sera in Leaving Las Vegas (1995). But you wouldn't want to marry them.

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– Benevolentdictator 5 points 231 days ago +5 / -0

Angie MacDowell in Groundhog Day is more akin to The Taming of The Shrew than a fair maiden.

The central plot of the film is that the clod Bill Murray has to repeat hundreds of attempts to win her over through repetition and ruse because any small error leads to the day ending in getting slapped and rejected.

Maggie Gyllenhaal is a submissive in a sexual sense to James Spader in 2002's Secretary. But she's also a mentally ill psycho.

She cuts herself. She purposely tries to antagonize her boss to receive BDSM punishment. She's also awful and dismissive to her wholesome beta bf.

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– fauxgnaws 3 points 231 days ago +4 / -1

The point of Groundhog Day is the the man has to better himself to get the girl. Phil's repetition and attempts all fail, then he gives up and says he'll be the best man he can be and that's when he's worthy.

There's really nothing about Rita (Andie MacDowell) that isn't marriage material other than the actress.

Secretary, Leaving las Vegas, Buffalo '66 is a counterpoint to the idea that it's only positive portrayals (girl boss, mary sue) that are in cinema for major characters.

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– Benevolentdictator 3 points 231 days ago +4 / -1

I agree that Andie* in the film is marriage material.

But there's not much about her that's submissive.

She's Murray's producer boss & rolls her eyes at the beginning in how much of a pain in the ass it is having to manage the "talent" that is Phil (Murray).

She's chaste in the sense that she plays hard to get & makes Murray work for it.

But if anything, it's the narcissistic asshole Murray that has to "submit" to MacDowell in the end by changing his ways to become more of her ideal man to get the girl.

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– fauxgnaws 3 points 230 days ago +3 / -0

Oh ok I took the original question to be basically why aren't there any feminine role models, like the opposite side of the coin of the often noticed no masculine role models.

Already too few of those, so narrowing it down even further seems unnecessary.

You're still missing the point of Groundhog Day. Phil doesn't "submit", it's a story of self improvement. He's not even trying after Rita in the end (Rita: "why weren't you like this last night, you just fell asleep"), he's just enjoying life and making the best of things. But to your point, to "But why are you still here?" she says "you said 'stay' so I stayed".

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