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When was the last time you came across a soft spoken and submissive female character in Western media?
posted 231 days ago by yoisi 231 days ago by yoisi +76 / -1

i can't think of any within the last 50 years. Even in the 1990's and 1980's female characters in Western media were pretty much all girl bosses.

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– fauxgnaws 3 points 231 days ago +4 / -1

The point of Groundhog Day is the the man has to better himself to get the girl. Phil's repetition and attempts all fail, then he gives up and says he'll be the best man he can be and that's when he's worthy.

There's really nothing about Rita (Andie MacDowell) that isn't marriage material other than the actress.

Secretary, Leaving las Vegas, Buffalo '66 is a counterpoint to the idea that it's only positive portrayals (girl boss, mary sue) that are in cinema for major characters.

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– Benevolentdictator 3 points 231 days ago +4 / -1

I agree that Andie* in the film is marriage material.

But there's not much about her that's submissive.

She's Murray's producer boss & rolls her eyes at the beginning in how much of a pain in the ass it is having to manage the "talent" that is Phil (Murray).

She's chaste in the sense that she plays hard to get & makes Murray work for it.

But if anything, it's the narcissistic asshole Murray that has to "submit" to MacDowell in the end by changing his ways to become more of her ideal man to get the girl.

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– fauxgnaws 3 points 230 days ago +3 / -0

Oh ok I took the original question to be basically why aren't there any feminine role models, like the opposite side of the coin of the often noticed no masculine role models.

Already too few of those, so narrowing it down even further seems unnecessary.

You're still missing the point of Groundhog Day. Phil doesn't "submit", it's a story of self improvement. He's not even trying after Rita in the end (Rita: "why weren't you like this last night, you just fell asleep"), he's just enjoying life and making the best of things. But to your point, to "But why are you still here?" she says "you said 'stay' so I stayed".

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– Benevolentdictator 2 points 230 days ago +2 / -0

He's not even trying after Rita in the end

The movie takes place over something like 50 years according to the writer with Murray reliving the same day over.

  • He learns chainsaw ice sculpting to impress Rita
  • He learns to play piano to impress Rita
  • He studies French poetry to recite it to her
  • He fakes liking children and has a playful snowball fight with them for her admiration
  • He methodically learns all her likes and icks like a sociopath to try to recreate the "perfect day" to manipulate her emotions towards him

I do buy the overall self-improvement narrative in Groundhog Day.

But the central plot is the exact opposite of "just be yourself" and "enjoy life". The movie was 50 years of grind for Phil.

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– fauxgnaws 4 points 230 days ago +4 / -0

And none of that works, because that's all superficial crap. What does he do on his last day?

  • gives a heartfelt speech praising the celebration
  • catches a falling kid
  • changes the old ladies' flat tire
  • saves the mayor from choking
  • entertains the party with good music
  • fixes Felix's back
  • buys monster truck tickets for the newlyweds
  • and countless other unseen 'chores'

All for the joy of helping others, not with any expectation or transaction in mind. None of that was about the girl, he even rejects her coffee date. It's a Grinch's heart growing 3 sizes movie not The 50-year Simp.

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