you guys aren't paying attention to what I post because you're going full fanboi.
Literally no one is fanboying. Tim Pool, who most people here don't like, is probably the primary target. I already explained I don't even like most of the people involved.
Also, we're paying attention to what you're saying. You're just wrong.
...at the end of the day, they took money from glowies and got greedy.
Says fucking who? You're so off base it's just sad.
...the fact that they agreed to such a shady deal in the first place.
Again, says who? I don't even get where you're getting any of this, or why you're jumping to the absolutely worst conclusion, and giving the DOJ, leftist media, and leftist bots and shills the benefit of the doubt, and fully condemning the right wing independent creators.
It would be like if the UK government said Lotus Eaters were terrorists, the BBC ran with the story, and a bunch of bots were obviously weaponized to harass the Lotus Eaters. And I just said, "wow, really disappointed in the Lotus Eaters, how could they be so scummy?" I'd never do that though, because I'm not retarded.
You guys might find me annoying and retarded...
I don't usually mind you, but you're certainly being retarded on this issue, sadly.
...I promise you that none of them are going to come out of this looking good...
Yeah, because all of our enemies have decided to try to end them, because they were a threat, and are a useful tool to try to shout 'foreign interference.'
This will absolutely hurt their reputations...that's the whole point of the fucking attack.
it's not going to be a good look for them if they're getting taken down.
You edited that it, so I'll address that too. Holy shit, stop. If YouTube takes them down, it will make them look bad? YouTube is complicit. It's Google/Alphabet, who works with the government. Holy fuck, it's the whole point. To get rid of them. This isn't rocket science.
I'm not 'fully condemning' them, I think though they're not going to come out of this looking good if it turns out they did take money in any capacity from a government source. If they took money from a government source of any kind, they're not independent at all.
Do you get it yet? This is why I'm doubling down, it's a very simple point, it's like how you get organisations like PBS and the BBC pretending they're independent yet it's right their in the fine print that they take government money.
Knowingly 'taking money from a government source' would certainly be questionable. These youtubers took money from Tenet Media which (correct me if I'm wrong) isn't a government. If you're only saying it looks bad, then duh, it's been engineered to look bad by bad actors.
Only now has it been revealed that Tenet Media is Russian funded-- who knew what and when is a very valid question, but not what you're asking. You're rushing to judgement about the youtubers who were associated seemingly without asking what they knew about Tenet Media. You're blaming the patsies for the crime before the trial even begins.
If this was a government op to poison the well and tarnish moderate-right youtubers, then you've fallen for it.
Even if they're not officially with a government agency or organisation they still could be taking government money. I don't understand why people on this site are being such blatant fanbois over this particular issue when not five seconds ago they were attacking Dustborn devs for doing exactly the same thing.
. The DOJ could be being the DOJ and going after them over bullshit charges
. The youtubers in question could have taken money from suspicious sources they should have done due diligence on
I am arguing for the presumption of innocence, from the position of 'trust but verify.' I don't trust the DoJ or the youtubers. Stacking up conditional judgements based on sources I don't trust strikes me as folly, but hey-- it's your time and energy.
Even if they're not officially with a government agency or organisation they still could be taking government money.
"Could" being the word there. Why are you taking the DOJ at their word, and then going further with your accusations?
I don't understand why people on this site are being such blatant fanbois
Again, no one is fanboying here, as has been explained multiple times. I can't speak for everyone, but it seems like the majority opinion is unfavorable toward many of the individuals. Heck, the prime target was Tim Pool, who gets a lot of hate here.
No one is "fanboying," yet you keep pulling that out.
...over this particular issue when not five seconds ago they were attacking Dustborn devs for doing exactly the same thing.
I'm not sure of the Dustborn situation, but I assume they took government grants or something? Openly? If so, my objection would be that taxpayers funded that shit. I don't hate the Dustborn devs for taking money that's on the table, and I doubt anyone else here was saying they did either. That's not the issue; in that case the issue is the government spending, not receiving the money.
If the government sets you up to make it look like you're taking money that you didn't even know about...well, I still blame the government in that instance.
Dustborn and Tenet are two completely different situations, but the government deserves the blame in both instances. This isn't hard.
The youtubers in question could have taken money from suspicious sources they should have done due diligence on
It sounds like they did do due diligence. It's not like this was a pile of cash from Russians, in Russian currency, with Cyrillic bands holding the cash together, and men in suits with DOJ badges were hanging around in the room. Their friend said they had investors lined up.
Literally no one is fanboying. Tim Pool, who most people here don't like, is probably the primary target. I already explained I don't even like most of the people involved.
Also, we're paying attention to what you're saying. You're just wrong.
Says fucking who? You're so off base it's just sad.
Again, says who? I don't even get where you're getting any of this, or why you're jumping to the absolutely worst conclusion, and giving the DOJ, leftist media, and leftist bots and shills the benefit of the doubt, and fully condemning the right wing independent creators.
It would be like if the UK government said Lotus Eaters were terrorists, the BBC ran with the story, and a bunch of bots were obviously weaponized to harass the Lotus Eaters. And I just said, "wow, really disappointed in the Lotus Eaters, how could they be so scummy?" I'd never do that though, because I'm not retarded.
I don't usually mind you, but you're certainly being retarded on this issue, sadly.
Yeah, because all of our enemies have decided to try to end them, because they were a threat, and are a useful tool to try to shout 'foreign interference.'
This will absolutely hurt their reputations...that's the whole point of the fucking attack.
You edited that it, so I'll address that too. Holy shit, stop. If YouTube takes them down, it will make them look bad? YouTube is complicit. It's Google/Alphabet, who works with the government. Holy fuck, it's the whole point. To get rid of them. This isn't rocket science.
Even the feds say the personalities didn't know where the money was coming from.
So, his take just keeps getting more braindead.
I'm not 'fully condemning' them, I think though they're not going to come out of this looking good if it turns out they did take money in any capacity from a government source. If they took money from a government source of any kind, they're not independent at all.
Do you get it yet? This is why I'm doubling down, it's a very simple point, it's like how you get organisations like PBS and the BBC pretending they're independent yet it's right their in the fine print that they take government money.
Knowingly 'taking money from a government source' would certainly be questionable. These youtubers took money from Tenet Media which (correct me if I'm wrong) isn't a government. If you're only saying it looks bad, then duh, it's been engineered to look bad by bad actors.
Only now has it been revealed that Tenet Media is Russian funded-- who knew what and when is a very valid question, but not what you're asking. You're rushing to judgement about the youtubers who were associated seemingly without asking what they knew about Tenet Media. You're blaming the patsies for the crime before the trial even begins.
If this was a government op to poison the well and tarnish moderate-right youtubers, then you've fallen for it.
Even if they're not officially with a government agency or organisation they still could be taking government money. I don't understand why people on this site are being such blatant fanbois over this particular issue when not five seconds ago they were attacking Dustborn devs for doing exactly the same thing.
. The DOJ could be being the DOJ and going after them over bullshit charges
. The youtubers in question could have taken money from suspicious sources they should have done due diligence on
Both points can be true
I believe that both of those things are true.
I am arguing for the presumption of innocence, from the position of 'trust but verify.' I don't trust the DoJ or the youtubers. Stacking up conditional judgements based on sources I don't trust strikes me as folly, but hey-- it's your time and energy.
"Could" being the word there. Why are you taking the DOJ at their word, and then going further with your accusations?
Again, no one is fanboying here, as has been explained multiple times. I can't speak for everyone, but it seems like the majority opinion is unfavorable toward many of the individuals. Heck, the prime target was Tim Pool, who gets a lot of hate here.
No one is "fanboying," yet you keep pulling that out.
I'm not sure of the Dustborn situation, but I assume they took government grants or something? Openly? If so, my objection would be that taxpayers funded that shit. I don't hate the Dustborn devs for taking money that's on the table, and I doubt anyone else here was saying they did either. That's not the issue; in that case the issue is the government spending, not receiving the money.
If the government sets you up to make it look like you're taking money that you didn't even know about...well, I still blame the government in that instance.
Dustborn and Tenet are two completely different situations, but the government deserves the blame in both instances. This isn't hard.
It sounds like they did do due diligence. It's not like this was a pile of cash from Russians, in Russian currency, with Cyrillic bands holding the cash together, and men in suits with DOJ badges were hanging around in the room. Their friend said they had investors lined up.