No, not Christianity, most of it has just portrayed a load of gnostic garbled nonsense in a positive light or else it has you teaming up with 3 other adventurers to save a cat, then you fight the pope, then you fight God.
Yes it's satanic. A tonne of it is. Pretending the stuff that's satanic isn't satanic is also giving the liars power.
Japanese media has undoubtedly produced a fair amount of high quality animation, some of it wholesome, but a lot of it not so much. Their media has some different sins than ours in the west, even before ours became utterly ugly and woke and our treasures were thrown out and trampled underfoot, it had some nasty strains of communism, liberalism and nihilism. Their sins seem to tend more towards lewdness (and in some nasty ways) and promotion of gnostic nonsense.
That's the fair and balanced and true take. We're all fallen, and different cultures are tending towards some different sins.
Upvote. I'm not going to slander the entire medium of anime, but there's definitely a lot of questionable stuff out there. Nobody likes to talk about how Hayao Miyazaki is card carrying Communist, either.
People doing that drove more people away from Christianity than anything the left did. Its why you retards are so hated that no one wants to be called conservative, even while hating the left.
Most Jap media depicting a fight against "God" is really depicting a fight against an imposter for whom "God" is a self-ascribed name, rather than a reference to the God of our real world.
Most Jap media depicting a fight against "God" is really depicting a fight against an imposter
yes, this is classic gnosticism, a fight against a 'demiurge', who depending on the gnostic belief you are dealing with ranges from incompetent to malevolent, ruling over this world, above whom there are other more benevolent gods (or who he has usurped)
rather than a reference to the God of our real world.
no that's the point, it is a reference to God, seen through the lens of gnosticism. The gnostics believe the God of the old testament to be a demiurge. Gnosticism isn't some isolate belief with its own ideas, it is an offshoot and inversion of early Christianity and judaism particularly around the 2nd century, it comes from and inverts those beliefs and it is quite syncretic, incorporating many other beliefs.
Gnosticism is rife in Japanese media. There are a tonne of examples but elden ring and evangelion in particular. This is not a niche thing, it's in a tonne of their stuff but it's not well understood here. It's not that we've not had gnostic media here in the west either by the way, some big ones would be the matrix, his dark materials and the da vinci code, but they aren't quite as widely prevalent, just a few specific ones whose writers read a few gnostic ideas or conspiracies.
Gnosticism seems more logically consistant to me than mainstream Christianity.
Do you think a lot of subversion has snuck into Christianity in the last 2,000 years? I ask that rhetorically because I think it’s obvious that there has been a lot, but if you want me to point to specifics I can.
Thus, if “the true faith” of Christianity can be apparently subverted, what makes you so convinced that true gnosticism and true Christianity are in opposition?
One of the most interesting threads of “gnosticism” I’ve come across is the conjoined ideas that
1)the Essenes were “gnostics”
2)the Essenes were the sect that John the Baptist came from, and thus logically the sect that his cousin Jesus of Nazareth came from
Have you ever come across any of that?
Secondly, the “foundational text” of Christian gnosticism is the (so-called apochrypha) the Gospel of Thomas.
Copied and pasted^ the full text into a post recently. I’m interested in any flaws there you can point to, because based on my studies I’ve not come across anything specific that Christians can point to when they call gnosticism “satanic”. They often like to say it is too dualistic in the way it portrays our existence, yet will neglect the exact same dualism present in the canonical text of the Bible. Gnosticism is cast aside for calling the physical world corrupted and for saying satan (in various names across various groups) is “the god of this world”. Well one need only look at Genesis 1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4 for those notions to be echoed in scripture.
Why are you convinced to “throw the baby out with the bath water” on the subject of gnosticism and Christianity?
No, not Christianity, most of it has just portrayed a load of gnostic garbled nonsense in a positive light or else it has you teaming up with 3 other adventurers to save a cat, then you fight the pope, then you fight God.
Yes it's satanic. A tonne of it is. Pretending the stuff that's satanic isn't satanic is also giving the liars power.
Japanese media has undoubtedly produced a fair amount of high quality animation, some of it wholesome, but a lot of it not so much. Their media has some different sins than ours in the west, even before ours became utterly ugly and woke and our treasures were thrown out and trampled underfoot, it had some nasty strains of communism, liberalism and nihilism. Their sins seem to tend more towards lewdness (and in some nasty ways) and promotion of gnostic nonsense.
That's the fair and balanced and true take. We're all fallen, and different cultures are tending towards some different sins.
Upvote. I'm not going to slander the entire medium of anime, but there's definitely a lot of questionable stuff out there. Nobody likes to talk about how Hayao Miyazaki is card carrying Communist, either.
Given the state of the world today, maybe our parents were right to call Pokemon satanic?
I've come around on dnd, have you seen the people playing it now?
People doing that drove more people away from Christianity than anything the left did. Its why you retards are so hated that no one wants to be called conservative, even while hating the left.
I'm actually fairly sick of the evil church trope in anime
This entire comment is why Christians have zero power and are a laughing stock to anyone healthy and sane
k, but how am I wrong though.
Most Jap media depicting a fight against "God" is really depicting a fight against an imposter for whom "God" is a self-ascribed name, rather than a reference to the God of our real world.
yes, this is classic gnosticism, a fight against a 'demiurge', who depending on the gnostic belief you are dealing with ranges from incompetent to malevolent, ruling over this world, above whom there are other more benevolent gods (or who he has usurped)
no that's the point, it is a reference to God, seen through the lens of gnosticism. The gnostics believe the God of the old testament to be a demiurge. Gnosticism isn't some isolate belief with its own ideas, it is an offshoot and inversion of early Christianity and judaism particularly around the 2nd century, it comes from and inverts those beliefs and it is quite syncretic, incorporating many other beliefs.
Gnosticism is rife in Japanese media. There are a tonne of examples but elden ring and evangelion in particular. This is not a niche thing, it's in a tonne of their stuff but it's not well understood here. It's not that we've not had gnostic media here in the west either by the way, some big ones would be the matrix, his dark materials and the da vinci code, but they aren't quite as widely prevalent, just a few specific ones whose writers read a few gnostic ideas or conspiracies.
Gnosticism seems more logically consistant to me than mainstream Christianity.
Do you think a lot of subversion has snuck into Christianity in the last 2,000 years? I ask that rhetorically because I think it’s obvious that there has been a lot, but if you want me to point to specifics I can.
Thus, if “the true faith” of Christianity can be apparently subverted, what makes you so convinced that true gnosticism and true Christianity are in opposition?
One of the most interesting threads of “gnosticism” I’ve come across is the conjoined ideas that
1)the Essenes were “gnostics”
2)the Essenes were the sect that John the Baptist came from, and thus logically the sect that his cousin Jesus of Nazareth came from
Have you ever come across any of that?
Secondly, the “foundational text” of Christian gnosticism is the (so-called apochrypha) the Gospel of Thomas.
https://communities.win/c/Manna/p/17teNpu1o2/the-gospel-of-thomas/c
Copied and pasted^ the full text into a post recently. I’m interested in any flaws there you can point to, because based on my studies I’ve not come across anything specific that Christians can point to when they call gnosticism “satanic”. They often like to say it is too dualistic in the way it portrays our existence, yet will neglect the exact same dualism present in the canonical text of the Bible. Gnosticism is cast aside for calling the physical world corrupted and for saying satan (in various names across various groups) is “the god of this world”. Well one need only look at Genesis 1 and 2 Corinthians 4:4 for those notions to be echoed in scripture.
Why are you convinced to “throw the baby out with the bath water” on the subject of gnosticism and Christianity?
Yeah I'll read through that and research it now, but yeah what examples of subversion were you thinking of?