On facebook, I'm in a group for people who like 50s/60s era of television, and recently the admin banned someone who was trying to discuss lack of diversity in tv shows of that era and racial politics. People were saying it was unfair, but the admin said this group is for a specific topic. Years back I would've seen that as harsh, but now I'm all for it. If only we done that with our hobbies once the usual suspects infiltrated.
The larger point being is that there is always some idiot who feels the need to bring in politics or some other issue into a completely unrelated hobby, and can't just let people have an escape. Recently I saw that the Twister movie was attacked for not addressing climate change, and I remember that Far Cry game got bad reviews for not addressing white supremacy.
Of course, the usual thing we hear is that "(fill in the blank) has always been political" or "it is too important". One of the reasons I rarely use reddit now is because of what happened during the "summer of love". I collect sports cards (baseball/football/hockey) and on a hockey card subreddit you had people who felt the need to have long posts about covid or vaccine misinformation along with the usual racial reckoning nonsense. Then of course they jumped all over me for asking what that has to do with hockey cards and I was told "some things are too important". I had to completely get off the Dallas Cowboys subreddit because they went off the deep end at that time.
Anyway, the mindset of these people who just can't let people enjoy something or feel that their point of view has to be brought into anything and everything even if it is some babies playing with blocks will never cease to annoy me.
I honestly feel the same way when people complain about a main character being black/female. Like, who cares?
I didn't use to, but today a black/female main character necessarily means BIPOC/feminist evangelism.
I have no problem with Non-White Males in entertainment, I do have a problem with propaganda being touted as entertainment, especially because it's not entertaining.
I enjoyed Beyond Good and Evil when it came out. Didn't think twice about purchasing it.
I wouldn't buy it if it came out today. I'd completely skip over it as soon as I saw any promo materials. And furthermore, I don't feel remotely bad about doing so.
They created this situation, not me.
The crazy part is: we are going to miss out on genuinly talented actresses because it's just not worth the risk of spending money on media made by people who hate you. The actresses don't care, to them it's just a role, but they're going to have to pay attention to avoid becoming political pawns in the culture wars.
Probably why so many of them are openly activist.
You're 100% correct, and I lose 0% of my sleep over it because it's not my fault and not my problem.
Though if any of these actresses come out and denounce this lunacy, I'll certainly pay attention.
They act so shocked at the backlash when they take over an established franchise and make a bunch of changes or attack the original fans. Lecturing me about diversity won't get me to watch the show, just present the show or if it is an established franchise, talk about what you like about the franchise or why you are a fan.
It really doesn't require evangelism to have a black/female main character. Plenty of media gets by fine without it
If someone goes up on stage waving a swastika flag in the modern day and age, asking to be their country's leader, there's a statistically high chance they're actually Indian, and it's an "innocent" flag representing their religion and spirituality.
That's not going to stop you from noting your own inherent knowledge and stereotypes about such a flag flying behind a political candidate. If I were to use a clear political symbol (and it IS a clear political signal, nowadays), I shouldn't expect the general audience to NOT see it as a clear political signal. They MADE this DEI shit into a political symbol, not us, they made their bed, now... "get fucked in it", I believe is the term that game journo used about GG?
Why wouldn't it? I understand context perfectly fine, and the Nazi flag has a very specific scheme to it (red background, white circle, swastika at 45 degree angle). It's also worth knowing what the candidate stands for.
Don't know what this has to do with characters on TV though...
"The swastika is just a cross with 4 bent arms. Like, who cares?"
Its about what the content represents in the context of the current climate. In the 1920s a swastika was a good luck charm, variously representing the sun, and not different from any of a thousand other such charms. In the 1990s a black or female MC was just a role for a relevant character like Blade or La Femme Nikita, and no different from a thousand other such character roles.
...lol you find that to be an apt comparison? The swastika is widely known as a symbol of the Nazi party. Having a black character isn’t nearly the same thing as a dictatorship
You can also have a black or female MC that's...its own character
Great stories can have black or female characters. I’ve read them. Everything doesn’t have to include everything though. Also if you need to be represented by everything you see there is something wrong with you. I do think it’s lazy to race/gender swap characters. Show your creativity and make your own story. Dumbest thing I saw recently was the lead for the latest Star Wars show saying she is creating a safe space for black nerds. I’m a black guy who has been into nerdy stuff for years and never needed a safe space. But I just read and watch older stuff. Better for me
Well I certainly stuck a nerve with at least some people with my downvotes 😂
It's because you've put forth a bad faith comment that everyone has refuted ad infinitum already.
It's not the black women main characters that are the problem. They are just a symptom. You not seeing or acknowledging the problem doesn't make you some especially enlightened centrist.
You're just an asshole, either intentionally or unintentionally.
Similarly, a lack of women/black characters in past shows was also a symptom. Same thing.
As of the time of this post, you had a downvote. Singular. You're looking to start shit and you're not fooling anyone.
I wasn't aware that saying people making a big fuss about race and bringing politics into shows was a shit starter.
You have different views. I wouldn’t see you as a troll. There are things we don’t agree on for sure but I guess you enjoy the group. I guess you know where you are. If I went into a Disney Star Wars group and told them how much I hated Disney Star Wars I wouldn’t expect much love
...am I saying the equivalent of hating disney star wars with my comments? By saying I find it stupid when people complain about women/black people in roles?