A retired 74-year-old Ghanaian man who has lived in the UK for nearly 50 years...
...had for many years assumed he was officially seen as British.
...first came to the UK...on a student visa that also allowed him to work.
...said no-one ever queried his right to live or work in the UK.
He married a British woman...
When that marriage ended, he married another British woman and they had two sons Jacob and Aaron.
Mr Shardey said he had never left the UK, as he saw no need to and regarded it as his home.
"Nobody questioned me...
"I got a mortgage. And nobody questioned me about anything," he said.
Perhaps this guy is the nicest guy in the world, I don't know. I'm not here to judge his morals. But even this BBC article seems to draw a clear distinction between him and a Brit.
But in 2019, when he applied for a passport so he could go back to Ghana following the death of his mother, he was told he was not British.
Alright, I'll side with him slightly on this, just because I hate governments and government incompetency. It's enraging if you get caught because you do things the right way, which causes the government to notice you. What a stupid system.
Over the 10 years it costs about ÂŁ7,000, with a further ÂŁ10,500 over the same period to access the NHS.
Look, I hate unnecessary fees, government intervention, etc., but that's not a huge amount. He says he's run multiple businesses, sent both his kids to college (on whose dime, I'm now wondering), has a house, etc., but says he can't pay ÂŁ700 a year, around twice that if he wants in on the NHS? I'm nowhere near as successful as all that (I wish I had my own fucking house, damn!), and I could swing $1,700 a year easily. I'd be pissed, don't get me wrong and, like I said, fuck the government, but still.
"I cannot afford to pay any part of the money they are asking," said Mr Shardey, who is recovering from prostate cancer.
Alright, that can be draining, but doesn't he have savings...and weren't his costs covered by the glorious socialized UK medical system? What's him recovering from an illness have to do with anything?
"Telling me to go through that route is a punishment, and it's not fair in any way."
"Telling me to do things the normal way is unfair punishment!"
When he tried to extend his right to stay in the UK online two years ago, he filled out the wrong form.
Holy shit!
"I just thought it was a joke. It's just ridiculous," said his son Jacob, who does research in cardiovascular physiology.
And you can't chip in for some of the money, either? What's with these people? This is all fake bullshit, isn't it?
"Why would he need to go and start this 10-year route when he's been here since 1977?
Because he's apparently absolutely retarded?
With the help of Nicola Burgess, a lawyer at Greater Manchester Immigration Aid Unit (GMIAU), Mr Shardey is now taking the Home Office to court.
Not my fight, and I don't care either way...but he'd be justified to lose.
His case - which his sons are trying to pay for through crowdfunding
Ah-hah! It all falls into place.
...is that the Home Office should have treated him as an exception...
*eye roll*
"And when you look at it on a personal level, if Nelson was your friend or your neighbour, you would absolutely agree that he should be given the immediate right to settle."
You can say that about anyone. I've known illegal aliens, for example. They're here illegally. They're nice enough people, but if they get sent back, they get sent back. They didn't do things the right way. "If he was your friend you'd want them to bend all the rules, and accommodate for his retardation." Maybe a part of me, sure. Another part of me wants the system to work as intended.
What a clown shown. They've got nothing, and are just appealing to emotion.
The nationalism of the UK confuses me. I used to be told by Englishmen that there is a difference between English and British. Only native Englishmen are English. British was anyone who had citizenship in the UK. This Ghana overstayer cannot be English by any definition, but apparently he's an illegal immigrant and not British either. Tommy is a joke. Yes the govt should not be wasting money on this guy vs. actual invaders - but that only supports the false narrative that the invasion is not intentional.
I don't like this ruling, particularly, but it's not that unusual, really.
It happens in Australia and NZ (and probably other Commonwealth countries) with a fair degree of regularity, and I believe I remember a similar case in Scotland a few years back.
Yes, it's shitty, but unlike, say, the Post Office scandal, I don't think the government is technically in the wrong, here. Morally is a different question, but technically and legally? I don't think the Government will lose this case...
Having said all that... even when you try to do things "the right way", it's still extraordinarily easy to get fucked over by the system.
I had that happen in Sweden, where migration system fuck-ups meant I never received my residency card, couldn't earn money or open a bank account, and then, when I decided to quit my study program, I was never informed how long I could remain in the country afterwards, so I was always on edge, lacking both that official "residency confirmation" and the knowledge of how many days I had left...
It's an awful situation to be in, from experience.
That sucks. I hope you got some Swedish pussy out of all that at least.
This Ghana fellow... I think he knew exactly what he was doing. I don't fault him for trying to live his best life, but he doesn't get to whine about it after the fact.
Honestly, that was one of the best aspects of the trip.
I (very temporarily) felt like a fucking boss, lol.
Also the Ukrainian girls, although obviously that... Comes with caution, lol.
But yeah, on your latter point, I completely agree. Even in 1977, I firmly do not believe that anyone (from Ghana, no less, and not a "skilled migrant", either) could arrive in the UK on a student visa and then "accidentally" just assume that they could remain there for life, now. I'm not naive enough to believe that as a "legitimate" mistake...
So yeah, sucks to be him, but he ran the risk of getting caught eventually, aaand then he was.
Somewhat similarly, I thought I was in trouble when leaving the Swedish border, because the customs official was confused by my lack of residency card, and the fact that i had been there for six months. But once I explained the situation (and corroborated it with the evidence I had on hand), he was totally fine with it.
Which, compared to the horrible threats I had received from the cult, when I left it, was a massive relief off my shoulders.
Which is to say that when you "play the game", the official system may or may not screw you over, but, by contrast, bad people will always try to take advantage of you, and cause you trouble when you don't play by their arbitrary rules...
Somewhat similarly, I thought I was in trouble when leaving the Swedish border, because the customs official was confused by my lack of residency card, and the fact that i had been there for six months.
I won't inquire as to details because I can probably guess with how fucked the bureaucracy is. When sorting shit out with my local council here in the UK they did a bit of strange fuckery with my addresses because of course it was my first ever property and I had moved out from my parents' place. I was genuinely surprised they had zero procedure for it as standard.
Luckily I had somebody who wasn't a dick on the other end of the phone and was understanding and had them write down some notes of what they did so that if anybody asks any questions it's written on the database because of course being a programmer I knew that shit would bite me in the arse potentially later on and had it sorted then so I wouldn't have to worry.
I'm sure you know by now but always keep records of correspondence because even if they record the damn phone calls the bastards can deny everything if it comes to even a minor dispute because they want to get rid of you. Just a general PSA really for anybody who is suddenly running into this stuff. It was interesting for me learning from AngryCops channel about how veterans whenever they were dealing with veterans affairs would always keep records of their correspondence and had a specific folder to deal with any bullshit in court which as it turns out yes is totally necessary. Civilians should absolutely do it as well especially as they pull more and more sneaky shit when they get even more corrupt than they are now.
If there's one thing modern technology has going for it is the surveillance state ironically can be pretty easily turned on government officials thanks to the accessibility of HD cameras among other things.
In short, unfortunately I think the error was probably done by the bureaucrat in person. But yep, it did (probably, though I never got a clear answer) come down to the address issue you mention...
From what I heard from another Australian who had similar happen, they defaulted to sending the residency card back to Australia. For some reason, you're not allowed a second one, so she, at least, had to wait for the idiots to send it to the embassy in Australia, the embassy to realize the error, and then send it back to Sweden, to the correct address this time...
Given that I knew that when I went in, in person, I very specifically made the bureaucrat write down the correct address, and insisted that he send it there. But then he basically ignored me, said "Hurry up, other people are waiting for their turn" (which is very Swedish behaviour) and shoved me out of the office. Thus, I'm entirely unsurprised he then still managed to fuck it up.
Anyway, so I waited and waited for them to sort it, and for this fucking card to arrive (which delayed my leaving the cult I was living in), but it never did, even by the time I left Sweden, apparently, lol...
Meanwhile, while moving to Sweden, I did everything the "legitimate" way, paid a fuck-tonne of money, and yet couldn't even open a bank account, use the government-mandated payment system (Swish), work for pay, transfer to a different visa, or even change study program, and had to leave the country not long after I decided to leave a cult... Oh, and also got stopped and questioned by police while crossing EU land borders (returning to Sweden from Denmark), for no reason other than "because we can"...
The problem is yet again they're writing this as a puff piece but why the fuck did he simply 'assume' he was a British citizen instead of making sure he was legal like any sane and normal person would? I kind of get what Tommy Robinson is trying to imply with this but it's done him no favours.
The Guardian pulled this exact same shit as well, it was worse than simply 1 very obscure person who somehow managed to fly under the radar for 42 years because they were law abiding in every other aspect. There was a story where they brought out some housewife who thought she was somehow entitled to citizenship simply for being married to a British man for 5+ years or whatever and was shocked she was suddenly found out and they were sending her back.
What this does is highlight how utterly broken my countries immigration enforcement is on all angles.
There was a story where they brought out some housewife who thought she was somehow entitled to citizenship simply for being married to a British man for 5+ years
Can't remember exactly, I think it was some EU country though that did stick out for me because it was a case of, she took the UK for a ride and now she's bitching that her antics finally caught up to her. These people play the system for years or even decades and then whine they're singled out. What makes it worse is they're inevitably the type of shit heads who will be going to the NHS and using it like healthcare tourists, at least the other guy paid taxes. The level of arrogance these migrants have towards the UK is unbelievable but it tells you we have a massive pushover problem when it comes to the general normie public.
Similarly, there was an Irish guy in the news where I am, whining about provision of homelessness and health services, after he was injured and could no longer work…
He was so Irish that his nickname is apparently “Irish”, and he was essentially begging people to donate money (to the charity that serves him, but still).
To which I responded: Ireland isn’t exactly a war-torn, poor country anymore, now is it? Nor would it have been at any point during this guy’s adult life. So why the fuck should Australians, and more specifically people in this city, be paying to keep this guy afloat? It’s not like these services don’t exist in Ireland, so I fail to see why he can’t just go back.
To which I’m sure the argument would be, “But waaah, I’ve lived in Australia for 10 years! This is where my life is!”
Too fucking bad, leech. It’s not up to me, or anyone else, to prop up an economic migrant who can no longer afford the rent.
Harsh, but he is literally living in a pub where I used to go to gigs, which they converted into “crisis housing” to support the numerous leeches like him (because their previous housing was “too old”, lol), so my empathy is… Limited, in this case.
If you can’t work to pay your rent, and you’re not a refugee, you shouldn’t be here, imho.
Perhaps this guy is the nicest guy in the world, I don't know. I'm not here to judge his morals. But even this BBC article seems to draw a clear distinction between him and a Brit.
Alright, I'll side with him slightly on this, just because I hate governments and government incompetency. It's enraging if you get caught because you do things the right way, which causes the government to notice you. What a stupid system.
Look, I hate unnecessary fees, government intervention, etc., but that's not a huge amount. He says he's run multiple businesses, sent both his kids to college (on whose dime, I'm now wondering), has a house, etc., but says he can't pay ÂŁ700 a year, around twice that if he wants in on the NHS? I'm nowhere near as successful as all that (I wish I had my own fucking house, damn!), and I could swing $1,700 a year easily. I'd be pissed, don't get me wrong and, like I said, fuck the government, but still.
Alright, that can be draining, but doesn't he have savings...and weren't his costs covered by the glorious socialized UK medical system? What's him recovering from an illness have to do with anything?
"Telling me to do things the normal way is unfair punishment!"
Holy shit!
And you can't chip in for some of the money, either? What's with these people? This is all fake bullshit, isn't it?
Because he's apparently absolutely retarded?
Not my fight, and I don't care either way...but he'd be justified to lose.
Ah-hah! It all falls into place.
*eye roll*
You can say that about anyone. I've known illegal aliens, for example. They're here illegally. They're nice enough people, but if they get sent back, they get sent back. They didn't do things the right way. "If he was your friend you'd want them to bend all the rules, and accommodate for his retardation." Maybe a part of me, sure. Another part of me wants the system to work as intended.
What a clown shown. They've got nothing, and are just appealing to emotion.
Thank you for reading MSM articles so I don't have to.
I don't usually bother, but I did on this one, because it looked funny. I was right, and I'm glad I read it. What absurdity.
The nationalism of the UK confuses me. I used to be told by Englishmen that there is a difference between English and British. Only native Englishmen are English. British was anyone who had citizenship in the UK. This Ghana overstayer cannot be English by any definition, but apparently he's an illegal immigrant and not British either. Tommy is a joke. Yes the govt should not be wasting money on this guy vs. actual invaders - but that only supports the false narrative that the invasion is not intentional.
I don't like this ruling, particularly, but it's not that unusual, really.
It happens in Australia and NZ (and probably other Commonwealth countries) with a fair degree of regularity, and I believe I remember a similar case in Scotland a few years back.
Yes, it's shitty, but unlike, say, the Post Office scandal, I don't think the government is technically in the wrong, here. Morally is a different question, but technically and legally? I don't think the Government will lose this case...
Having said all that... even when you try to do things "the right way", it's still extraordinarily easy to get fucked over by the system.
I had that happen in Sweden, where migration system fuck-ups meant I never received my residency card, couldn't earn money or open a bank account, and then, when I decided to quit my study program, I was never informed how long I could remain in the country afterwards, so I was always on edge, lacking both that official "residency confirmation" and the knowledge of how many days I had left...
It's an awful situation to be in, from experience.
That sucks. I hope you got some Swedish pussy out of all that at least.
This Ghana fellow... I think he knew exactly what he was doing. I don't fault him for trying to live his best life, but he doesn't get to whine about it after the fact.
Can confirm I did, hahaha.
Honestly, that was one of the best aspects of the trip.
I (very temporarily) felt like a fucking boss, lol.
Also the Ukrainian girls, although obviously that... Comes with caution, lol.
But yeah, on your latter point, I completely agree. Even in 1977, I firmly do not believe that anyone (from Ghana, no less, and not a "skilled migrant", either) could arrive in the UK on a student visa and then "accidentally" just assume that they could remain there for life, now. I'm not naive enough to believe that as a "legitimate" mistake...
So yeah, sucks to be him, but he ran the risk of getting caught eventually, aaand then he was.
Somewhat similarly, I thought I was in trouble when leaving the Swedish border, because the customs official was confused by my lack of residency card, and the fact that i had been there for six months. But once I explained the situation (and corroborated it with the evidence I had on hand), he was totally fine with it.
Which, compared to the horrible threats I had received from the cult, when I left it, was a massive relief off my shoulders.
Which is to say that when you "play the game", the official system may or may not screw you over, but, by contrast, bad people will always try to take advantage of you, and cause you trouble when you don't play by their arbitrary rules...
I won't inquire as to details because I can probably guess with how fucked the bureaucracy is. When sorting shit out with my local council here in the UK they did a bit of strange fuckery with my addresses because of course it was my first ever property and I had moved out from my parents' place. I was genuinely surprised they had zero procedure for it as standard.
Luckily I had somebody who wasn't a dick on the other end of the phone and was understanding and had them write down some notes of what they did so that if anybody asks any questions it's written on the database because of course being a programmer I knew that shit would bite me in the arse potentially later on and had it sorted then so I wouldn't have to worry.
I'm sure you know by now but always keep records of correspondence because even if they record the damn phone calls the bastards can deny everything if it comes to even a minor dispute because they want to get rid of you. Just a general PSA really for anybody who is suddenly running into this stuff. It was interesting for me learning from AngryCops channel about how veterans whenever they were dealing with veterans affairs would always keep records of their correspondence and had a specific folder to deal with any bullshit in court which as it turns out yes is totally necessary. Civilians should absolutely do it as well especially as they pull more and more sneaky shit when they get even more corrupt than they are now.
If there's one thing modern technology has going for it is the surveillance state ironically can be pretty easily turned on government officials thanks to the accessibility of HD cameras among other things.
Yep, totally agree re the correspondence bit.
In short, unfortunately I think the error was probably done by the bureaucrat in person. But yep, it did (probably, though I never got a clear answer) come down to the address issue you mention...
From what I heard from another Australian who had similar happen, they defaulted to sending the residency card back to Australia. For some reason, you're not allowed a second one, so she, at least, had to wait for the idiots to send it to the embassy in Australia, the embassy to realize the error, and then send it back to Sweden, to the correct address this time...
Given that I knew that when I went in, in person, I very specifically made the bureaucrat write down the correct address, and insisted that he send it there. But then he basically ignored me, said "Hurry up, other people are waiting for their turn" (which is very Swedish behaviour) and shoved me out of the office. Thus, I'm entirely unsurprised he then still managed to fuck it up.
Anyway, so I waited and waited for them to sort it, and for this fucking card to arrive (which delayed my leaving the cult I was living in), but it never did, even by the time I left Sweden, apparently, lol...
Bureaucracy, amirite?
So yeah. Ridiculous all round.
you have to go back
Tommy only attacks Muslims. It might have something to do with getting funded by neocons like Robert Shillman, just a hunch.
nitter.poast.org/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1790975567866556799#m
Meanwhile, while moving to Sweden, I did everything the "legitimate" way, paid a fuck-tonne of money, and yet couldn't even open a bank account, use the government-mandated payment system (Swish), work for pay, transfer to a different visa, or even change study program, and had to leave the country not long after I decided to leave a cult... Oh, and also got stopped and questioned by police while crossing EU land borders (returning to Sweden from Denmark), for no reason other than "because we can"...
Fucking clown world.
The problem is yet again they're writing this as a puff piece but why the fuck did he simply 'assume' he was a British citizen instead of making sure he was legal like any sane and normal person would? I kind of get what Tommy Robinson is trying to imply with this but it's done him no favours.
The Guardian pulled this exact same shit as well, it was worse than simply 1 very obscure person who somehow managed to fly under the radar for 42 years because they were law abiding in every other aspect. There was a story where they brought out some housewife who thought she was somehow entitled to citizenship simply for being married to a British man for 5+ years or whatever and was shocked she was suddenly found out and they were sending her back.
What this does is highlight how utterly broken my countries immigration enforcement is on all angles.
Any idea where she was from, out of curiosity?
Can't remember exactly, I think it was some EU country though that did stick out for me because it was a case of, she took the UK for a ride and now she's bitching that her antics finally caught up to her. These people play the system for years or even decades and then whine they're singled out. What makes it worse is they're inevitably the type of shit heads who will be going to the NHS and using it like healthcare tourists, at least the other guy paid taxes. The level of arrogance these migrants have towards the UK is unbelievable but it tells you we have a massive pushover problem when it comes to the general normie public.
Similarly, there was an Irish guy in the news where I am, whining about provision of homelessness and health services, after he was injured and could no longer work…
He was so Irish that his nickname is apparently “Irish”, and he was essentially begging people to donate money (to the charity that serves him, but still).
To which I responded: Ireland isn’t exactly a war-torn, poor country anymore, now is it? Nor would it have been at any point during this guy’s adult life. So why the fuck should Australians, and more specifically people in this city, be paying to keep this guy afloat? It’s not like these services don’t exist in Ireland, so I fail to see why he can’t just go back.
To which I’m sure the argument would be, “But waaah, I’ve lived in Australia for 10 years! This is where my life is!”
Too fucking bad, leech. It’s not up to me, or anyone else, to prop up an economic migrant who can no longer afford the rent.
Harsh, but he is literally living in a pub where I used to go to gigs, which they converted into “crisis housing” to support the numerous leeches like him (because their previous housing was “too old”, lol), so my empathy is… Limited, in this case.
If you can’t work to pay your rent, and you’re not a refugee, you shouldn’t be here, imho.
Tommy Robinson is also Imam Wasim Kempson
Fighting amongst ourselves are we??