None of us realized that the internet at the time was due to selection effect and pressures acting as gatekeeping.
True. In another thread I brought up the old Jargon File and had a good laugh at the (quaintly outdated) "Politics" section where it describes hackers as "vaguely liberal-moderate, with a strong libertarian contingent".
When in reality the fact that document existed at all and then was given to people coming online with a strong encouragement to follow those pre-existing conventions suggest their political leanings were in fact something far more deeply conservative. But since they didn't want to identify themselves as icky "conservatives" they had no defense against people choosing to ignore those conventions.
When you get down to it, would an actual "liberal" or non-Hoppean libertarian care about Eternal September at all? Given their views on immigration and border security, not really.
True and I've seen indications of GG2 going that way too. Leftists realizing they might have to ally with a "conservative" then instantly doing everything they can to hyper-limit the scope of their disagreement with the mainstream left in the hope they can start attending the "respectable" cocktail parties again.
Typical-minded fallacy. None of us realized that the internet at the time was due to selection effect and pressures acting as gatekeeping.
Then the eternal september hit, and that was that.
True. In another thread I brought up the old Jargon File and had a good laugh at the (quaintly outdated) "Politics" section where it describes hackers as "vaguely liberal-moderate, with a strong libertarian contingent".
When in reality the fact that document existed at all and then was given to people coming online with a strong encouragement to follow those pre-existing conventions suggest their political leanings were in fact something far more deeply conservative. But since they didn't want to identify themselves as icky "conservatives" they had no defense against people choosing to ignore those conventions.
When you get down to it, would an actual "liberal" or non-Hoppean libertarian care about Eternal September at all? Given their views on immigration and border security, not really.
The part about the fear of the ick factor is true about OG GG and Half KIA, too.
True and I've seen indications of GG2 going that way too. Leftists realizing they might have to ally with a "conservative" then instantly doing everything they can to hyper-limit the scope of their disagreement with the mainstream left in the hope they can start attending the "respectable" cocktail parties again.
Not that it'll work, but they certainly will try.