It seems they, in fact, resulted in higher excess mortality than ''not fucking people over'' ( Sweden ).
No government who lockdowned want to admit this. They all parrot the same line of ''they had to do it to save lives'' (lies ) and ''the healthcare system would have collapsed without lockdowns'' ( another lie, lockdowns worsened problems ).
technically, if we look at places like australia, locking down so hard that you completely shut down your country and prevent people from associating did in fact reduce the spread. that is until they declared Victory on the pandemic and opened up, where there was a massive Spike in infections all at once.
they fuck their people over, and all they did was delay the wave of infections that everyone else had.
Australia is an island. Its the same for japan and nz. Islands can just defend against spread of foreign illnesses easier if they completely shut everything down and dont let anyone in.
It's very different for countries with land borders. Even if the humans don't spread it, the animals might
I think you are referring to their culpability in being the origin of covid (?). I was referring to how they kept their people in lockdown for far longer than the rest of the world and kept dragging out the infections.
Also, having lived through all that, there's no way it was worth any of it - from being told that we couldn't even leave the country (nevermind getting back in), to people not being able to go to work across state borders (we have cities and towns that straddle them), to people who I know not being able to attend family funerals, to me not getting to see my grandfather in the nursing home before he died (as an unvaxxed plague rat, you see) - it was an evil, truly morally repugnant time, and all for a virus that spread like wildfire anyway, and yet had a mortality rate about as bad as the flu.
None of it was worth it. At all. And that includes their eventual, much-delayed "solution" to the borders.
And i say that as an "immunocompromised" person. I was shamed and almost physically attacked by extended family for my "vaccine stance", and I will never forgive them for that, let alone the grandfather thing. Never...
So yeah, I wouldn't be defending any of the actions that "our" government took, at this point.
Lockdowns did not reduce the spread of SARS-2.
It seems they, in fact, resulted in higher excess mortality than ''not fucking people over'' ( Sweden ).
No government who lockdowned want to admit this. They all parrot the same line of ''they had to do it to save lives'' (lies ) and ''the healthcare system would have collapsed without lockdowns'' ( another lie, lockdowns worsened problems ).
technically, if we look at places like australia, locking down so hard that you completely shut down your country and prevent people from associating did in fact reduce the spread. that is until they declared Victory on the pandemic and opened up, where there was a massive Spike in infections all at once.
they fuck their people over, and all they did was delay the wave of infections that everyone else had.
Australia is an island. Its the same for japan and nz. Islands can just defend against spread of foreign illnesses easier if they completely shut everything down and dont let anyone in.
It's very different for countries with land borders. Even if the humans don't spread it, the animals might
China experienced that too. All the hardcore lockdown accomplished was a delay of the inevitable.
Nah china was always lying
I think you are referring to their culpability in being the origin of covid (?). I was referring to how they kept their people in lockdown for far longer than the rest of the world and kept dragging out the infections.
You mean locking down the border
that certainly helped
Bit of an understatement
It wasn't the lockdowns that did what you said - it was closing the borders. The lockdowns came after they fucked up.
It's very important to get that right, as pointed out in other comments.
The two things are very much not the same.
Source: I live(d) here, on an island, and I saw it fucking happen, lol.
Also, having lived through all that, there's no way it was worth any of it - from being told that we couldn't even leave the country (nevermind getting back in), to people not being able to go to work across state borders (we have cities and towns that straddle them), to people who I know not being able to attend family funerals, to me not getting to see my grandfather in the nursing home before he died (as an unvaxxed plague rat, you see) - it was an evil, truly morally repugnant time, and all for a virus that spread like wildfire anyway, and yet had a mortality rate about as bad as the flu.
None of it was worth it. At all. And that includes their eventual, much-delayed "solution" to the borders.
And i say that as an "immunocompromised" person. I was shamed and almost physically attacked by extended family for my "vaccine stance", and I will never forgive them for that, let alone the grandfather thing. Never...
So yeah, I wouldn't be defending any of the actions that "our" government took, at this point.
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