I don't see how they are. Something could be very progressive or liberal or whatever you want to call it for its own time, but through changes in society, media, etc., be definitely illiberal or unprogressive by more recent "standards."
Something could be very progressive or liberal or whatever you want to call it for its own time, but through changes in society, media, etc., be definitely illiberal or unprogressive by more recent "standards."
If it was fine, they would not complain and demand it be changed. If it's not fine, why change it? They said it was always woke and progressive.
Since when are the people in question every satisfied with things as they were in the past? That's a large part of what makes them progressives. Again, some piece of media can be progressive for its own time and yet not progressive enough by ours. They change even the older progressive things because again, they are not progressive enough.
Friend, we're discussing the same point from different angles.
If they want to change things because of the perpetual advancement of todayism, they'll have to change everything. That makes them liars, because nothing will be fine tomorrow
If they're looking through today's lens back at the past, and found them to be progressive and woke, then it should also be fine and not require any changes.
But we both know they're going to want it changed.
So they're liars, or they lie about it. They've made a kobayashi maru of their own design and found they don't like it.
Those two are anathema to each other. You can't have it be always woke, but not PC enough for today.
It's a lie either way.
It was always a lie.
I don't see how they are. Something could be very progressive or liberal or whatever you want to call it for its own time, but through changes in society, media, etc., be definitely illiberal or unprogressive by more recent "standards."
There are a few shows I would agree on that.
However, for the vast majority, they run up against this:
If it was fine, they would not complain and demand it be changed.
If it's not fine, why change it? They said it was always woke and progressive.
These two things cannot coexist.
Again, yes they can. I repeat:
Since when are the people in question every satisfied with things as they were in the past? That's a large part of what makes them progressives. Again, some piece of media can be progressive for its own time and yet not progressive enough by ours. They change even the older progressive things because again, they are not progressive enough.
Friend, we're discussing the same point from different angles.
If they want to change things because of the perpetual advancement of todayism, they'll have to change everything. That makes them liars, because nothing will be fine tomorrow
If they're looking through today's lens back at the past, and found them to be progressive and woke, then it should also be fine and not require any changes.
But we both know they're going to want it changed.
So they're liars, or they lie about it. They've made a kobayashi maru of their own design and found they don't like it.