You seem to be really hung up on what you think all these various groups should be and are disappointed they aren't fitting in your specific box you put the label on.
Which is particularly baffling, as probably half of them don't even believe that the government or laws or society are fixable and as such put minimal effort into trying to "reform" them.
IT's more that I'm baffled as to how much the "manosphere" sucks compared to a few years ago. It doesn't make any sense. They have opportunities ahead.
It seems like there is less TRP and more incel type shit coming out of it now. MGTOW is still around but comes across as more incel. It seemed to skew more towards older men who have actually been divorced a few years ago. Now they're beginning to sound like alt queer theorists. The "manosphere" as a whole seems to be skewing away from activism and more toward unproductive whining as well.
I'll admit that it could be my experiences on .win coloring my perspective though.
All of that was true 7+ years ago, but there was still an effective push for Title IX reform. I don't know why things have so shitty since then.
You seem to be really hung up on what you think all these various groups should be and are disappointed they aren't fitting in your specific box you put the label on.
Which is particularly baffling, as probably half of them don't even believe that the government or laws or society are fixable and as such put minimal effort into trying to "reform" them.
IT's more that I'm baffled as to how much the "manosphere" sucks compared to a few years ago. It doesn't make any sense. They have opportunities ahead.
And yet you've never stated which one you are even talking about. TRP? MGTOW? Wizardchan?
All have gone in very different directions, some of which fit not a single portion of your descriptions.
It seems like there is less TRP and more incel type shit coming out of it now. MGTOW is still around but comes across as more incel. It seemed to skew more towards older men who have actually been divorced a few years ago. Now they're beginning to sound like alt queer theorists. The "manosphere" as a whole seems to be skewing away from activism and more toward unproductive whining as well.
I'll admit that it could be my experiences on .win coloring my perspective though.