You seem to be really hung up on what you think all these various groups should be and are disappointed they aren't fitting in your specific box you put the label on.
Which is particularly baffling, as probably half of them don't even believe that the government or laws or society are fixable and as such put minimal effort into trying to "reform" them.
IT's more that I'm baffled as to how much the "manosphere" sucks compared to a few years ago. It doesn't make any sense. They have opportunities ahead.
It seems like there is less TRP and more incel type shit coming out of it now. MGTOW is still around but comes across as more incel. It seemed to skew more towards older men who have actually been divorced a few years ago. Now they're beginning to sound like alt queer theorists. The "manosphere" as a whole seems to be skewing away from activism and more toward unproductive whining as well.
I'll admit that it could be my experiences on .win coloring my perspective though.
MGTOW has always been incels claiming they weren't incels because they were actually super smart superior males. Its always been a sad movement of losers, coasting on the reputation of the rare few who truly opted out and went homesteading or similar.
TRP has basically been dead for years. The grift became stronger than the altruism. Its aftershocks are still around, but each one is a twisted shell of some leftover portion.
But I don't disagree that as a whole its devolved into a lot of whining. Even worse than that, its full of tryhard talkers. Guys who will talk a lot of big game about how women are evil, and we need to beat them and take back our society and yada yada. And then their mom is a total exception who is great (Hi, Imp!) and they sit at home hoping other men will go die for their cause.
Its really a waste to try and save most men, because so few of them are worth being saved. Which I suppose is the other half of what killed the "gurus" that made TRP work.
You seem to be really hung up on what you think all these various groups should be and are disappointed they aren't fitting in your specific box you put the label on.
Which is particularly baffling, as probably half of them don't even believe that the government or laws or society are fixable and as such put minimal effort into trying to "reform" them.
IT's more that I'm baffled as to how much the "manosphere" sucks compared to a few years ago. It doesn't make any sense. They have opportunities ahead.
And yet you've never stated which one you are even talking about. TRP? MGTOW? Wizardchan?
All have gone in very different directions, some of which fit not a single portion of your descriptions.
It seems like there is less TRP and more incel type shit coming out of it now. MGTOW is still around but comes across as more incel. It seemed to skew more towards older men who have actually been divorced a few years ago. Now they're beginning to sound like alt queer theorists. The "manosphere" as a whole seems to be skewing away from activism and more toward unproductive whining as well.
I'll admit that it could be my experiences on .win coloring my perspective though.
MGTOW has always been incels claiming they weren't incels because they were actually super smart superior males. Its always been a sad movement of losers, coasting on the reputation of the rare few who truly opted out and went homesteading or similar.
TRP has basically been dead for years. The grift became stronger than the altruism. Its aftershocks are still around, but each one is a twisted shell of some leftover portion.
But I don't disagree that as a whole its devolved into a lot of whining. Even worse than that, its full of tryhard talkers. Guys who will talk a lot of big game about how women are evil, and we need to beat them and take back our society and yada yada. And then their mom is a total exception who is great (Hi, Imp!) and they sit at home hoping other men will go die for their cause.
Its really a waste to try and save most men, because so few of them are worth being saved. Which I suppose is the other half of what killed the "gurus" that made TRP work.