Man. Some of the stuff Putin is saying, I can totally understand, and am sort of sympathetic to: the feeling hurt that the Soviet Union sort of "peacefully" collapsed, and went away, and that their leaders did this, thinking Russia was going to get tons of help, not be encroached upon, and even be sort of enthusiastically invited into the fold with open arms? That that's what they felt, and they now feel that's not what happened? That, instead, it's clear that NATO/The West is still treating them as a threat, and expanding towards them? That stuff is sympathetic.
The part where he is saying that the main goal for this war now is "Denazification"? Come on. Get the fuck out of here. There is zero way that Russia is afraid of like - what - a fourth reich forming in the Ukraine? That that's the main reason for the fighting here? Two years of war to stop Nazis, and he's saying that successful denazification is the only condition for ending this?
In any event, it's absolutely ridiculous that this guy - the leader of a big country like Russia - a country that clearly has the potential to cause big problems for the world (they are doing it right now), clearly has all these grievances (whether or not they are legitimate or not), and Tucker fucking Carlson is the guy that has to go there to air all this out. What are our fucking politicians doing? What is the fucking media doing? Why wouldn't they be holding those politicians feet to the fire? Why is it up to basically an independent guy to do all their jobs?
To be fair: Ukraine isn't really doing themselves any favor with how some of the people are. I know a couple Hungarians who are also not the biggest fans of Ukraine specifically because how they treat their Hungarian minority who've lived there for many generations(attempt to poison water supply, general unrest and attacks). Just one angle to look at.
Yeah there are legit nazis that are in Ukraine it's not just leftist style fear mongering, not necessarily a justification of course but if that's the shit you've seen as a Russian I completely understand why that perspective would scare the fuck out of you and you would do everything to keep those people away.
The joke is as well there was a bit of discussion about the media's reaction to this and even a few people in the media sort of questioned it. Okay why the hell are we allowing actual nazis to fight in Ukraine and what's going on? Of course, immediately shut up and toed the party line because word got around to keep quiet about it.
They really are actual Nazis. Israel is just willing to look the other way for their own potential advantage, possibly in securing energy supplies from a nearby country, and one who's government is mostly just the US security state. Doubly so, if they think they can have significant political influence. They probably think they can manage it.
They're dead fucking wrong.
If you're not sure, listen to the Ukranian Nazis talk. Even they know the irony of a jewish state sponsoring them; but they have explicitly stated this is their best chance to basically run the government and build a National Socialist state. And, they're right. They have more legitimacy and popularity in Ukraine than at any time.
Don't forget, Hitler sold weapons and food to Stalin to secure his border, even while ranting about Judeo-Bolshevism, and how big of a threat the Soviet Union was. They even allied. Stalin genuinely didn't believe that Hitler would betray him. This isn't the first time NatSocs have played this game.
Man. Some of the stuff Putin is saying, I can totally understand, and am sort of sympathetic to: the feeling hurt that the Soviet Union sort of "peacefully" collapsed, and went away, and that their leaders did this, thinking Russia was going to get tons of help, not be encroached upon, and even be sort of enthusiastically invited into the fold with open arms? That that's what they felt, and they now feel that's not what happened? That, instead, it's clear that NATO/The West is still treating them as a threat, and expanding towards them? That stuff is sympathetic.
The part where he is saying that the main goal for this war now is "Denazification"? Come on. Get the fuck out of here. There is zero way that Russia is afraid of like - what - a fourth reich forming in the Ukraine? That that's the main reason for the fighting here? Two years of war to stop Nazis, and he's saying that successful denazification is the only condition for ending this?
In any event, it's absolutely ridiculous that this guy - the leader of a big country like Russia - a country that clearly has the potential to cause big problems for the world (they are doing it right now), clearly has all these grievances (whether or not they are legitimate or not), and Tucker fucking Carlson is the guy that has to go there to air all this out. What are our fucking politicians doing? What is the fucking media doing? Why wouldn't they be holding those politicians feet to the fire? Why is it up to basically an independent guy to do all their jobs?
To be fair: Ukraine isn't really doing themselves any favor with how some of the people are. I know a couple Hungarians who are also not the biggest fans of Ukraine specifically because how they treat their Hungarian minority who've lived there for many generations(attempt to poison water supply, general unrest and attacks). Just one angle to look at.
Yeah there are legit nazis that are in Ukraine it's not just leftist style fear mongering, not necessarily a justification of course but if that's the shit you've seen as a Russian I completely understand why that perspective would scare the fuck out of you and you would do everything to keep those people away.
The joke is as well there was a bit of discussion about the media's reaction to this and even a few people in the media sort of questioned it. Okay why the hell are we allowing actual nazis to fight in Ukraine and what's going on? Of course, immediately shut up and toed the party line because word got around to keep quiet about it.
There aren't 'actual nazis' in Ukraine though. Israel approves of them, like come on how obvious do you want it?
They're people LARPing as nazis. Nazis haven't been around for about 80 years.
Yes, they are Nazis, those groups are direct descendants of Nazi supporters from WWII.
Why wouldn't they approve of them? Do you think all the fuss about the not sees is anything other than performative outrage?
Ever heard of Operation Paperclip?
They really are actual Nazis. Israel is just willing to look the other way for their own potential advantage, possibly in securing energy supplies from a nearby country, and one who's government is mostly just the US security state. Doubly so, if they think they can have significant political influence. They probably think they can manage it.
They're dead fucking wrong.
If you're not sure, listen to the Ukranian Nazis talk. Even they know the irony of a jewish state sponsoring them; but they have explicitly stated this is their best chance to basically run the government and build a National Socialist state. And, they're right. They have more legitimacy and popularity in Ukraine than at any time.
Don't forget, Hitler sold weapons and food to Stalin to secure his border, even while ranting about Judeo-Bolshevism, and how big of a threat the Soviet Union was. They even allied. Stalin genuinely didn't believe that Hitler would betray him. This isn't the first time NatSocs have played this game.