Racial division (as you are using it) is inherent in Leftism, but pre-dates it by millennia. "Laying the ground work" doesn't make sense. Just like "laying the groundwork for profiteering" doesn't make sense.
Cultural Relativism is simply a tactic used occasionally by Leftists. Like all of their tactics, those aren't principled stands. If it were, they would tolerate monarchy in a monarchy. They don't.
OK, I'll restate. "These concepts and institutions are the foundation of racial grievance and social engineering through the 20th and 21st centuries." I think that's important enough.
You can't make the same argument without doing the same thing to whites & Catholics. There's no real reason to play this game of "I found a few people on one side of a political issue or another, therefore the race is collectively guilty".
85% of whites and Catholics support the left wing platform? Is 85% "a few"? How many right-wing whites can you find who said, "I don't give a good damn about the browning of America"?
Moreover, Jews are directly and openly responsible for making themselves the closest thing we have to a genetically exalted class of people with the Holocaust grievance industry and the ridiculous special treatment of the state of Israel.
What you're actually alluding to is re-defining what a "genetic native" is, simply to be: "the genetics of the amalgamation of people that are here given this specific moment in time".
It's a bit more than that, but sure, let's go with that definition. That's fine. The Celtic Irish people should be a supermajority of Ireland and the Nipponese people should be a supermajority of Japan.
You don't seem to realize that communists that have the same admixture as you are still more dangerous than someone with different genetics who agrees with you.
I fully realize this (I'm not even fully white but let's assume I am), I'm just taking it one step further. Just because white communists exist doesn't mean it's OK for tons of non-white people to immigrate. They aren't a part of the solution, and in fact they just make the problem worse.
The cultural integration you speak of has miserably failed on a population level with almost every minority group voting Dem. I am not sure if it's ever worked with a non-white group, actually.
It's a bit more than that, but sure, let's go with that definition. That's fine. The Celtic Irish people should be a supermajority of Ireland and the Nipponese people should be a supermajority of Japan.
No arguments here. That is the how the population of those states (and the nations they represent) have been for multiple generations.
85% of whites and Catholics support the left wing platform? Is 85% "a few"? How many right-wing whites can you find who said, "I don't give a good damn about the browning of America"?
What's the correct number for which we can declare racial ownership of some issue? I can find lots of right-wing rights who say that sentence. Damn near all of them. I don't accept that we should be arbitrating any racial grievances or guilt. I don't see why we even should. I see no value in assigning intertemporal and collective blame for alleged crimes. If you are going to blame someone, blame perpetrators.
Part of my big problem with all this is that real perpetrators are ignored as they use innocent people as human shields by deflecting blame to actually innocent people.
Moreover, Jews are directly and openly responsible for making themselves the closest thing we have to a genetically exalted class of people with the Holocaust grievance industry and the ridiculous special treatment of the state of Israel.
That's nonsense, and it's never even been the case in the US, despite jews being fairly well accommodated into the US since it's founding. In fact, the closest thing to what you are describing is the Black National Socialist movements screaming about the magic of melanin.
There is a massive slew of documentation from jews explaining that America is one of the few countries where they faced precious little discrimination, and were able to integrate into the country normally. Orthodox jews had more issues (as they built more separate and segregated communities with their own religious schools and such), and that has lead mostly to internal jewish squabbling. I've gone over this before from a book called "Jew vs. Jew". And for the most part, the jews have been grateful for the treatment of American gentiles towards them; not antagonistic. This is one of the reasons why the US has the largest population of jews on earth. Where we see resentment is from Leftist indoctrination and ideological capture.
I'm just taking it one step further. Just because white communists exist doesn't mean it's OK for tons of non-white people to immigrate. They aren't a part of the solution, and in fact they just make the problem worse.
You're missing my contrast. If you are going to have an immigrant and you are choosing between a ethnically similar communist, and a dissimilar immigrant who wants to assimilate; you take the assimilee every time. If you don't want either, recognize the danger of any communist among the native population. If we're going to focus on whites, then you need to recognize the absolute plethora of white Leftists. And rabid white Leftists are absolutely everywhere in the west, and have been for over a century.
The cultural integration you speak of has miserably failed on a population level with almost every minority group voting Dem. I am not sure if it's ever worked with a non-white group, actually.
That's just not true. America is one of the pinnacle examples of being able to integrate populations, even after mass migration. Whether that be the hordes of hessians, the flood of migrants from Europe, the mass importation of Blacks from slavery, the integration of natives, etc.
The problem is that party-boss systems that exploit ethnic division for their own purposes has been nationalized since the 60's, and the Republicans have played "loveable looser" for decades, allowing the left to dis- integrate, or re-segregate just about any ethnic group they could think of in order to consolidate power as they lost the white vote from the collapse of the Democratic party in the South. Southern whites embraced Conservativism, and began abandoning racialism; so the Democrats had to find a new racial narrative to exert political control. The problem is that it becomes very hard to drag a racial collectivist out of racial collectivism once they are in it; they have to walk away from it themselves. Same problem as welfare, really.
They've dis-integrated to the point that they are now trying to construct fake nations of people out of sexuality.
No arguments here. That is the how the population of those states (and the nations they represent) have been for multiple generations.
Then why the splitting hairs and the argument that you can properly import non-whites as long as they're integrated?
What's the correct number for which we can declare racial ownership of some issue? I can find lots of right-wing rights who say that sentence. Damn near all of them.
That threshold is certainly below 85%, especially when Jews take leading roles in every major modern institution.
Rightwingers will not regurgitate that sentiment en masse - you've lost touch with reality on that one. Whatever the number is, it's smaller than you think and it's growing smaller every day.
And for the most part, the jews have been grateful for the treatment of American gentiles towards them; not antagonistic. This is one of the reasons why the US has the largest population of jews on earth. Where we see resentment is from Leftist indoctrination and ideological capture.
I could spend the whole comment on this paragraph. Jews give evangelical whites one of the lowest approval ratings among all groups, for instance. None of that addresses my point anyway that Jews are a uniquely exalted class that can hold the highest concentration of institutional power in America, hold dual loyalties, lead the entire Congress around by the nose, while simultaneously donning the mantle of the ultimate victim. Talk about reparations, Israel extracts billions of dollars from the US every year simply for existing.
If you don't want either, recognize the danger of any communist among the native population. If we're going to focus on whites, then you need to recognize the absolute plethora of white Leftists.
First of all, many white libs, if not most, are the result of deconstructive Jewish ideas that broke up white Christian hegemony, such as psychoanalysis, anthropology and cultural relativism (mentioned earlier), rejection of racial IQ or advantages, feminism, gay rights, the ADL, hardcore pornography, Onlyfans, the Frankfurt school, and of course, communism itself. In the 20th century, it's actually a challenge to find disruptive Gentile intellectuals like Kinsey and John Money.
Second, we do recognize the danger. I'm certainly not going to turn away any anti-communist because they're not white. I mean, I'm not white. But any serious discussion is going to lead to propaganda and indoctrination, which leads to wresting control of the narrative from the media and elites, in which wealthy Jews have a controlling stake.
That's just not true. America is one of the pinnacle examples of being able to integrate populations, even after mass migration. Whether that be the hordes of hessians, the flood of migrants from Europe, the mass importation of Blacks from slavery, the integration of natives, etc.
The problem is that party-boss systems that exploit ethnic division for their own purposes has been nationalized since the 60's, and the Republicans have played "loveable looser" for decades, allowing the left to dis- integrate, or re-segregate just about any ethnic group they could think of in order to consolidate power as they lost the white vote
First of all, America hasn't integrated any non-white population successfully. The natives are miserable and killing themselves, black people are self-explanatory, Asians vote Democrat, and so do Hispanics. But the cherry on top is that all of those groups will preferentially segregate to themselves both SOCIALLY and politically.
Second, the ethnic party-boss systems such as Tammany Hall are the result of human nature, and nothing that Republicans did would have stopped them.
Then why the splitting hairs and the argument that you can properly import non-whites as long as they're integrated?
Because it's not splitting hairs. You're operating off of the wrong premise, which leads you to wrong conclusions. You're just at the 'broken clock' time.
Rightwingers will not regurgitate that sentiment en masse - you've lost touch with reality on that one. Whatever the number is, it's smaller than you think and it's growing smaller every day.
I'm not being an asshole about this, but touch grass. I live in a majority right-wing normie area; and I promise you that most of them are only, slowly, begining to consider immigration and transgenderism a problem. You're more than 3 standard deviations from the norm at this point. As a libertarian (like), I'm two SD away. Your view is clouded by the permanently online veil.
I could spend the whole comment on this paragraph.
We might as well agree to disagree because the anti-white, anti-American sentiment of the political Left has basically made your claims about jews normal to just about everyone that's non-white, non-male, non-straight, non-cis, and non-christian.
Frankly, the Hamas-Israel war has shocked me to how little Israeli influence has on both parties, and bizarrely: the media. The biggest Israeli shill was Ben Shapiro... and that's about it. I saw way more Ukranian Jingoism in 2021 on both sides than I saw support for Israel on either. Instead, I saw a startling amount of rationalization and support for Hamas on the Left, and I'm the one who's been predicting a jewish pogrom.
Jews just don't have the kind of influence you think they do, and Israel doesn't either. They're losing to Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
In the 20th century, it's actually a challenge to find disruptive Gentile intellectuals like Kinsey and John Money.
That's just not true, and if you were being consistent, you'd assert that they too were operating from jewish deconstructionism. They're not, because it's not jewish. It's Leftist. It comes from Rousseau.
First of all, America hasn't integrated any non-white population successfully. The natives are miserable and killing themselves, black people are self-explanatory, Asians vote Democrat, and so do Hispanics. But the cherry on top is that all of those groups will preferentially segregate to themselves both SOCIALLY and politically.
This simply isn't true, and excusing away "White" integration is ridiculous anyway. The founding fathers, being Anglo-Protestants were highly concerned about the Germans, Irish, Catholics, Italians, Blacks, Indians, Scott, Scotch-Irish, and Jews. (Just go with me on the caps here for a minute, spell-check yells at me every time I don't capitalize those nouns). Each of them were integrated one at a time, and many were several of them were extremely violent. Many tribes were eventually integrated properly, but the problems their facing now is because they are living in what amounts to socialist states. The ones that simply integrated without reservations, have larger populations and prosperity now than at any point in there history (this is not uncommon among peoples' conquered by superior civilizations). Blacks were fine before they started adopting communism, and the welfare state which did more damage to them than slavery. In fact, American Blacks have culturally appropriated Scotch-Irish culture, which is one of the primary sources of their violent culture. We can't forget the Italians came from Naples & Sicily which had centuries of organized criminal culture that had to be undone with assimilation.
In each century, most of these groups integrated over time with the majority populations through sheer exposure, and accepting of the majority cultural norms (which were Anglo-Protestant in nature, and served to benefit the minority culture). We can see this in the initial rise of racial discrimination laws against different groups at local political levels and then the reversal of those laws as integration took place. Hell, we can even see different groups be integrated, while other groups struggle. Japanese integrated into white populations in the Post-Bellum south, but not in California. Blacks integrated a few decades after the great migrations to the north in the early 20th century, fairly well. Germans and Irish took a long time to integrate from the revolutionary and civil war eras respectively, but they did. Hell, we integrated the fucking Mormons.
However, for the past 70 years, the Left has sought to re-segregate and dis-integrate all of them, then promote mass migration to create colonies. This isn't an innate feature of all ethnic groups, it is an intentional effort by bad actors to destroy the very nature of America.
Because it's not splitting hairs. You're operating off of the wrong premise, which leads you to wrong conclusions. You're just at the 'broken clock' time.
I'm not being an asshole about this, but touch grass. I live in a majority right-wing normie area; and I promise you that most of them are only, slowly, begining to consider immigration and transgenderism a problem. You're more than 3 standard deviations from the norm at this point. As a libertarian (like), I'm two SD away. Your view is clouded by the permanently online veil.
Donald Trump swept the primaries in 2016 barnstorming on illegal immigration but Republican voters are just "beginning" to think it's a problem? Are you sure you know your neighbors?
Ditto for trannies, the suburban Democrats in Virginia voted Youngkin because of a tranny in a bathroom but Republicans don't care?? Even without my personal experience that's obviously not the case.
Frankly, the Hamas-Israel war has shocked me to how little Israeli influence has on both parties, and bizarrely: the media. The biggest Israeli shill was Ben Shapiro... and that's about it. I saw way more Ukranian Jingoism in 2021 on both sides than I saw support for Israel on either. Instead, I saw a startling amount of rationalization and support for Hamas on the Left, and I'm the one who's been predicting a jewish pogrom.
You are conflating the parties with the soldiers. The parties are largely establishment and have backed Israel consistently. The Democrat influencers and foot soldiers are golems that are turning on their masters.
That's just not true, and if you were being consistent, you'd assert that they too were operating from jewish deconstructionism. They're not, because it's not jewish. It's Leftist. It comes from Rousseau.
It's not true? Let's hash it out. Who are the Gentiles on your list? Dawkins and Dennett? Camille Paglia? The black scholars behind CRT?
Many tribes were eventually integrated properly, but the problems their facing now is because they are living in what amounts to socialist states. The ones that simply integrated without reservations, have larger populations and prosperity now than at any point in there history (this is not uncommon among peoples' conquered by superior civilizations).
This is an interesting claim. Where are these large populations of successfully integrated natives?
In fact, American Blacks have culturally appropriated Scotch-Irish culture, which is one of the primary sources of their violent culture.
LOL!!! I guess the Africans chopping off limbs and women's breasts are just appropriating Scotch-Irish culture as well
OK, I'll restate. "These concepts and institutions are the foundation of racial grievance and social engineering through the 20th and 21st centuries." I think that's important enough.
85% of whites and Catholics support the left wing platform? Is 85% "a few"? How many right-wing whites can you find who said, "I don't give a good damn about the browning of America"?
Moreover, Jews are directly and openly responsible for making themselves the closest thing we have to a genetically exalted class of people with the Holocaust grievance industry and the ridiculous special treatment of the state of Israel.
It's a bit more than that, but sure, let's go with that definition. That's fine. The Celtic Irish people should be a supermajority of Ireland and the Nipponese people should be a supermajority of Japan.
I fully realize this (I'm not even fully white but let's assume I am), I'm just taking it one step further. Just because white communists exist doesn't mean it's OK for tons of non-white people to immigrate. They aren't a part of the solution, and in fact they just make the problem worse.
The cultural integration you speak of has miserably failed on a population level with almost every minority group voting Dem. I am not sure if it's ever worked with a non-white group, actually.
No arguments here. That is the how the population of those states (and the nations they represent) have been for multiple generations.
What's the correct number for which we can declare racial ownership of some issue? I can find lots of right-wing rights who say that sentence. Damn near all of them. I don't accept that we should be arbitrating any racial grievances or guilt. I don't see why we even should. I see no value in assigning intertemporal and collective blame for alleged crimes. If you are going to blame someone, blame perpetrators.
Part of my big problem with all this is that real perpetrators are ignored as they use innocent people as human shields by deflecting blame to actually innocent people.
That's nonsense, and it's never even been the case in the US, despite jews being fairly well accommodated into the US since it's founding. In fact, the closest thing to what you are describing is the Black National Socialist movements screaming about the magic of melanin.
There is a massive slew of documentation from jews explaining that America is one of the few countries where they faced precious little discrimination, and were able to integrate into the country normally. Orthodox jews had more issues (as they built more separate and segregated communities with their own religious schools and such), and that has lead mostly to internal jewish squabbling. I've gone over this before from a book called "Jew vs. Jew". And for the most part, the jews have been grateful for the treatment of American gentiles towards them; not antagonistic. This is one of the reasons why the US has the largest population of jews on earth. Where we see resentment is from Leftist indoctrination and ideological capture.
You're missing my contrast. If you are going to have an immigrant and you are choosing between a ethnically similar communist, and a dissimilar immigrant who wants to assimilate; you take the assimilee every time. If you don't want either, recognize the danger of any communist among the native population. If we're going to focus on whites, then you need to recognize the absolute plethora of white Leftists. And rabid white Leftists are absolutely everywhere in the west, and have been for over a century.
That's just not true. America is one of the pinnacle examples of being able to integrate populations, even after mass migration. Whether that be the hordes of hessians, the flood of migrants from Europe, the mass importation of Blacks from slavery, the integration of natives, etc.
The problem is that party-boss systems that exploit ethnic division for their own purposes has been nationalized since the 60's, and the Republicans have played "loveable looser" for decades, allowing the left to dis- integrate, or re-segregate just about any ethnic group they could think of in order to consolidate power as they lost the white vote from the collapse of the Democratic party in the South. Southern whites embraced Conservativism, and began abandoning racialism; so the Democrats had to find a new racial narrative to exert political control. The problem is that it becomes very hard to drag a racial collectivist out of racial collectivism once they are in it; they have to walk away from it themselves. Same problem as welfare, really.
They've dis-integrated to the point that they are now trying to construct fake nations of people out of sexuality.
Then why the splitting hairs and the argument that you can properly import non-whites as long as they're integrated?
That threshold is certainly below 85%, especially when Jews take leading roles in every major modern institution.
Rightwingers will not regurgitate that sentiment en masse - you've lost touch with reality on that one. Whatever the number is, it's smaller than you think and it's growing smaller every day.
I could spend the whole comment on this paragraph. Jews give evangelical whites one of the lowest approval ratings among all groups, for instance. None of that addresses my point anyway that Jews are a uniquely exalted class that can hold the highest concentration of institutional power in America, hold dual loyalties, lead the entire Congress around by the nose, while simultaneously donning the mantle of the ultimate victim. Talk about reparations, Israel extracts billions of dollars from the US every year simply for existing.
First of all, many white libs, if not most, are the result of deconstructive Jewish ideas that broke up white Christian hegemony, such as psychoanalysis, anthropology and cultural relativism (mentioned earlier), rejection of racial IQ or advantages, feminism, gay rights, the ADL, hardcore pornography, Onlyfans, the Frankfurt school, and of course, communism itself. In the 20th century, it's actually a challenge to find disruptive Gentile intellectuals like Kinsey and John Money.
Second, we do recognize the danger. I'm certainly not going to turn away any anti-communist because they're not white. I mean, I'm not white. But any serious discussion is going to lead to propaganda and indoctrination, which leads to wresting control of the narrative from the media and elites, in which wealthy Jews have a controlling stake.
First of all, America hasn't integrated any non-white population successfully. The natives are miserable and killing themselves, black people are self-explanatory, Asians vote Democrat, and so do Hispanics. But the cherry on top is that all of those groups will preferentially segregate to themselves both SOCIALLY and politically.
Second, the ethnic party-boss systems such as Tammany Hall are the result of human nature, and nothing that Republicans did would have stopped them.
Because it's not splitting hairs. You're operating off of the wrong premise, which leads you to wrong conclusions. You're just at the 'broken clock' time.
I'm not being an asshole about this, but touch grass. I live in a majority right-wing normie area; and I promise you that most of them are only, slowly, begining to consider immigration and transgenderism a problem. You're more than 3 standard deviations from the norm at this point. As a libertarian (like), I'm two SD away. Your view is clouded by the permanently online veil.
We might as well agree to disagree because the anti-white, anti-American sentiment of the political Left has basically made your claims about jews normal to just about everyone that's non-white, non-male, non-straight, non-cis, and non-christian.
Frankly, the Hamas-Israel war has shocked me to how little Israeli influence has on both parties, and bizarrely: the media. The biggest Israeli shill was Ben Shapiro... and that's about it. I saw way more Ukranian Jingoism in 2021 on both sides than I saw support for Israel on either. Instead, I saw a startling amount of rationalization and support for Hamas on the Left, and I'm the one who's been predicting a jewish pogrom.
Jews just don't have the kind of influence you think they do, and Israel doesn't either. They're losing to Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
That's just not true, and if you were being consistent, you'd assert that they too were operating from jewish deconstructionism. They're not, because it's not jewish. It's Leftist. It comes from Rousseau.
This simply isn't true, and excusing away "White" integration is ridiculous anyway. The founding fathers, being Anglo-Protestants were highly concerned about the Germans, Irish, Catholics, Italians, Blacks, Indians, Scott, Scotch-Irish, and Jews. (Just go with me on the caps here for a minute, spell-check yells at me every time I don't capitalize those nouns). Each of them were integrated one at a time, and many were several of them were extremely violent. Many tribes were eventually integrated properly, but the problems their facing now is because they are living in what amounts to socialist states. The ones that simply integrated without reservations, have larger populations and prosperity now than at any point in there history (this is not uncommon among peoples' conquered by superior civilizations). Blacks were fine before they started adopting communism, and the welfare state which did more damage to them than slavery. In fact, American Blacks have culturally appropriated Scotch-Irish culture, which is one of the primary sources of their violent culture. We can't forget the Italians came from Naples & Sicily which had centuries of organized criminal culture that had to be undone with assimilation.
In each century, most of these groups integrated over time with the majority populations through sheer exposure, and accepting of the majority cultural norms (which were Anglo-Protestant in nature, and served to benefit the minority culture). We can see this in the initial rise of racial discrimination laws against different groups at local political levels and then the reversal of those laws as integration took place. Hell, we can even see different groups be integrated, while other groups struggle. Japanese integrated into white populations in the Post-Bellum south, but not in California. Blacks integrated a few decades after the great migrations to the north in the early 20th century, fairly well. Germans and Irish took a long time to integrate from the revolutionary and civil war eras respectively, but they did. Hell, we integrated the fucking Mormons.
However, for the past 70 years, the Left has sought to re-segregate and dis-integrate all of them, then promote mass migration to create colonies. This isn't an innate feature of all ethnic groups, it is an intentional effort by bad actors to destroy the very nature of America.
Donald Trump swept the primaries in 2016 barnstorming on illegal immigration but Republican voters are just "beginning" to think it's a problem? Are you sure you know your neighbors?
Ditto for trannies, the suburban Democrats in Virginia voted Youngkin because of a tranny in a bathroom but Republicans don't care?? Even without my personal experience that's obviously not the case.
You are conflating the parties with the soldiers. The parties are largely establishment and have backed Israel consistently. The Democrat influencers and foot soldiers are golems that are turning on their masters.
It's not true? Let's hash it out. Who are the Gentiles on your list? Dawkins and Dennett? Camille Paglia? The black scholars behind CRT?
This is an interesting claim. Where are these large populations of successfully integrated natives?
LOL!!! I guess the Africans chopping off limbs and women's breasts are just appropriating Scotch-Irish culture as well