I can honestly see how it could be considered a form of manipulation, just by the sheer pressure it exerts.
The problem here is that, much like a lot of "feministy" points, is that it ascribes intentions when there are none. No guy who is willing to go through the effort of including the whole family honestly thinks he needs to use them, he is doing it because he is certain she will say yes and he wants to make it extra special.
So, like always, its women creating a problem with men trying to do nice things for them. Up to and including having a relationship where there is such a disconnect that he can think something so wrong.
Some men are delusional. I proposed to my wife over tater tots at a bar. It was pretty much, "okay fine, let's do this, in or out?" and she was super in.
I knew a guy who proposed to his "girl friend" (as in he was friendzoned) on the Vegas strip with a 5k ring he bought. Never even kissed her. Of course she said no. Some guys get way wrapped up in their own heads.
TV and such is part of the problem, selling men delusions about how women and romance work. Most guys usually have some formational experiences that teach them reality but lately more and more guys go through life believing total nonsense about women.
Shit I woke mine up at like 2 am to just say I was thinking about it, and we just rolled from there. Because I knew her answer already, which is the most important thing. If you don't know her answer already you failed from the word go.
I had a female friend get proposed to while sitting on the couch disheveled from a long work day. Nothing fancy, he just asked straight up with no ring. Exact same scenario as my own, but she was offended by how awful the whole thing was and rejected it just because she didn't want that to be a key memory.
At the risk of sounding like some after school PSA, too many people have let media ruin their minds and have no idea what their own relationship is and do zero real communication regarding it. Women with their evasive BS certainly don't help in that regard.
They were in the slow process of breaking up anyway. I and she both think it was his way of panic trying to fix a relationship that was already ending. She's not much of a catch but homeboy couldn't provide a fulfilling life to anyone so its for the best it fizzled there. He has a chance to fix his shit and she is hitched to someone much more on her level.
I asked my then girlfriend how she wanted to be proposed to, she dropped to a knee and asked me. I was genuinely asking, but she was too excited to care.
I can honestly see how it could be considered a form of manipulation, just by the sheer pressure it exerts.
The problem here is that, much like a lot of "feministy" points, is that it ascribes intentions when there are none. No guy who is willing to go through the effort of including the whole family honestly thinks he needs to use them, he is doing it because he is certain she will say yes and he wants to make it extra special.
So, like always, its women creating a problem with men trying to do nice things for them. Up to and including having a relationship where there is such a disconnect that he can think something so wrong.
Some men are delusional. I proposed to my wife over tater tots at a bar. It was pretty much, "okay fine, let's do this, in or out?" and she was super in.
I knew a guy who proposed to his "girl friend" (as in he was friendzoned) on the Vegas strip with a 5k ring he bought. Never even kissed her. Of course she said no. Some guys get way wrapped up in their own heads.
TV and such is part of the problem, selling men delusions about how women and romance work. Most guys usually have some formational experiences that teach them reality but lately more and more guys go through life believing total nonsense about women.
Shit I woke mine up at like 2 am to just say I was thinking about it, and we just rolled from there. Because I knew her answer already, which is the most important thing. If you don't know her answer already you failed from the word go.
I had a female friend get proposed to while sitting on the couch disheveled from a long work day. Nothing fancy, he just asked straight up with no ring. Exact same scenario as my own, but she was offended by how awful the whole thing was and rejected it just because she didn't want that to be a key memory.
At the risk of sounding like some after school PSA, too many people have let media ruin their minds and have no idea what their own relationship is and do zero real communication regarding it. Women with their evasive BS certainly don't help in that regard.
what's the follow up on that story? did she miss the chance to get a fulfilled married life because she didn't want that key memory at the moment?
They were in the slow process of breaking up anyway. I and she both think it was his way of panic trying to fix a relationship that was already ending. She's not much of a catch but homeboy couldn't provide a fulfilling life to anyone so its for the best it fizzled there. He has a chance to fix his shit and she is hitched to someone much more on her level.
I asked my then girlfriend how she wanted to be proposed to, she dropped to a knee and asked me. I was genuinely asking, but she was too excited to care.