It's a mixed bag. They can be useful for sure (in fact more useful than I've given them credit for in this thread, I admit), but I'm also seeing a whole lot of ideological capture from the left through these means as well. But, yeah, I'll give you that. Ex/liberals are useful for attracting other questioning people more to the right. But, again, mixed bag, as I'm also seeing a lot of erosion of the right. But, they certainly have their place. But I think are currently being used in a detrimental fashion.
Also, the difference between conservatives in liberals is that conservatives call everyone a grifter, while liberals create entire institutions with sinecures for people who spout and whitewash the party line (paid with other people's money).
That does seem to be the case. But I think it is important to self police. Talk to any moderate to extreme leftist, they hate the grifters and embrace of the grifters on their side too, and view it as stopping any True Leftist (which have of course Never Been Tried) movements. And they're not exactly wrong. The corporatization of the left is hurting the left, even as it gives them power too.
Overly policing the grifters will thin the ranks of any movement, but under policing them will water down the movement as a whole. There has to a balance, and I'd say neither side has it at the moment.
Where are you getting that idea? I looked at her Twitter, and it looks basically like Matt Walsh's - not just on troon issues, but also criticizing the media for a hit on Vivek using 'white supremacy'. Basically can't tell her apart from an average conservative.
I admit I'm not super familiar with Gaines, and maybe she has now tried to seem more rightwing, but whenever I've heard her in the past, it's all focused on Women and Girls™, it's all about protecting women, and it's all appeals to emotion and bad arguments, often coming down to 'I can't compete with men and that's unfair to me.' Which, while true, is also just sort of whiny and self serving. Sure, use your own experience as an example, and it is a good one, but it used to be her entire schtick. She wasn't saying anything conservative, she was basically just asking the conservatives to be her army, while in return...the conservatives took feminist stances. Didn't seem like a fair trade to me.
Now, let's say she's a communist deep down. Does it matter? It shouldn't. The advocacy is decidedly in the correct direction.
Again, I'm not sure I agree. Outside of the very basic 'men shouldn't be in women's sports' she doesn't bring anything outside of her own experience in swimming, and that's hardly conservative, it's just something that happened. She should be held up as an example, not given the reins. And there has, at least in my opinion, been too much of the latter.
But, again, mixed bag, as I'm also seeing a lot of erosion of the right.
So do I, but I'm not sure that can be attributed to 'ex-liberals'. I'd attribute it more to backsliding among the 'right'. Someone like David Frum, who at least in the broader world was considered right.
Talk to any moderate to extreme leftist, they hate the grifters and embrace of the grifters on their side too, and view it as stopping any True Leftist (which have of course Never Been Tried) movements.
Is the success of their ideology due to these 'moderate to extreme leftists', or to the grifters actually producing content or staffing universities?
I don't like grifters any more than others, though I think the right is very quick to label anyone a grifter. But if you create an industry that rewards people for being leftists, they will be!
And they're not exactly wrong. The corporatization of the left is hurting the left, even as it gives them power too.
It hurts them ideologically. They 'win' as a skinsuit.
she has now tried to seem more rightwing
There is an assumption buried here, that she 'tries to seem'.
, it's all focused on Women and Girls™, it's all about protecting women, and it's all appeals to emotion and bad arguments, often coming down to 'I can't compete with men and that's unfair to me.'
Well, yeah. There are multiple arguments to be had against transgenderism. She is the living embodiment of one of them. Those who are detransitioners focus on another aspect. Still others focus on the fact that it's nonsense.
Women are weak. They should be protected, and historically have been. Let's not allow the deranged safetyism close our eyes to this reality. She's demanding the protection of women that is legitimate and proper, and which the people who always talk about 'protecting women and girls' have removed.
Even if you think this is an issue, you should be able to recognize the public relations gold that this is: a live victim of transgenderism, speaking as to the evils of the matter.
She wasn't saying anything conservative, she was basically just asking the conservatives to be her army, while in return...the conservatives took feminist stances.
Which feminist stances? Conservatives only need to take your stance, that men don't belong anywhere purposed for women. She gets her army, while she is also recruiting people who are not conservatives for a conservative position. Who then get attacked and start questioning things even more.
I wish there were more win-wins like this.
Outside of the very basic 'men shouldn't be in women's sports' she doesn't bring anything outside of her own experience in swimming, and that's hardly conservative, it's just something that happened
I'd say her personal experience with men in women's sport is a pretty big deal. It's easy to answer a conservative who has nothing to do with women's sport. It's not so easy to answer a victim of their nonsense.
She should be held up as an example, not given the reins
I don't see how she has been 'given the reins'. She should be invited everywhere and asked to talk. Those are not reins.
It's a mixed bag. They can be useful for sure (in fact more useful than I've given them credit for in this thread, I admit), but I'm also seeing a whole lot of ideological capture from the left through these means as well. But, yeah, I'll give you that. Ex/liberals are useful for attracting other questioning people more to the right. But, again, mixed bag, as I'm also seeing a lot of erosion of the right. But, they certainly have their place. But I think are currently being used in a detrimental fashion.
That does seem to be the case. But I think it is important to self police. Talk to any moderate to extreme leftist, they hate the grifters and embrace of the grifters on their side too, and view it as stopping any True Leftist (which have of course Never Been Tried) movements. And they're not exactly wrong. The corporatization of the left is hurting the left, even as it gives them power too.
Overly policing the grifters will thin the ranks of any movement, but under policing them will water down the movement as a whole. There has to a balance, and I'd say neither side has it at the moment.
I admit I'm not super familiar with Gaines, and maybe she has now tried to seem more rightwing, but whenever I've heard her in the past, it's all focused on Women and Girls™, it's all about protecting women, and it's all appeals to emotion and bad arguments, often coming down to 'I can't compete with men and that's unfair to me.' Which, while true, is also just sort of whiny and self serving. Sure, use your own experience as an example, and it is a good one, but it used to be her entire schtick. She wasn't saying anything conservative, she was basically just asking the conservatives to be her army, while in return...the conservatives took feminist stances. Didn't seem like a fair trade to me.
Again, I'm not sure I agree. Outside of the very basic 'men shouldn't be in women's sports' she doesn't bring anything outside of her own experience in swimming, and that's hardly conservative, it's just something that happened. She should be held up as an example, not given the reins. And there has, at least in my opinion, been too much of the latter.
So do I, but I'm not sure that can be attributed to 'ex-liberals'. I'd attribute it more to backsliding among the 'right'. Someone like David Frum, who at least in the broader world was considered right.
Is the success of their ideology due to these 'moderate to extreme leftists', or to the grifters actually producing content or staffing universities?
I don't like grifters any more than others, though I think the right is very quick to label anyone a grifter. But if you create an industry that rewards people for being leftists, they will be!
It hurts them ideologically. They 'win' as a skinsuit.
There is an assumption buried here, that she 'tries to seem'.
Well, yeah. There are multiple arguments to be had against transgenderism. She is the living embodiment of one of them. Those who are detransitioners focus on another aspect. Still others focus on the fact that it's nonsense.
Women are weak. They should be protected, and historically have been. Let's not allow the deranged safetyism close our eyes to this reality. She's demanding the protection of women that is legitimate and proper, and which the people who always talk about 'protecting women and girls' have removed.
Even if you think this is an issue, you should be able to recognize the public relations gold that this is: a live victim of transgenderism, speaking as to the evils of the matter.
Which feminist stances? Conservatives only need to take your stance, that men don't belong anywhere purposed for women. She gets her army, while she is also recruiting people who are not conservatives for a conservative position. Who then get attacked and start questioning things even more.
I wish there were more win-wins like this.
I'd say her personal experience with men in women's sport is a pretty big deal. It's easy to answer a conservative who has nothing to do with women's sport. It's not so easy to answer a victim of their nonsense.
I don't see how she has been 'given the reins'. She should be invited everywhere and asked to talk. Those are not reins.