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Simple sci-fi question.
posted 2 years ago by Smith1980 2 years ago by Smith1980 +24 / -0

What is your favorite type of sci-fi? For me since Ive always been interested in life in the universe/space exploration, anything regarding that. I love golden age sci-fi and reading what they thought we would do in space back in the 40s and 50s

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– ZeroPercentCamoIndex 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Hard sci fi that attempts to deal with the implications of greater-than-human intelligence. Not in the sense of 'shucks this blue-head alien temporarily outsmarted us!' but more along the lines of extra-terrestrial strong AI, godlike entities, tech singularity, matter being optimised for consciousness and such. Stuff like Iain M. Banks Culture series (which I actually can't remember very well), but my favourite treatment is by Vernor Vinge in A Fire Upon the Deep, (Vinge being the guy credited with coining the term 'technological singularity' in the first place).

I feel like the more that one's thought experiments veer off in this direction, the more interesting the ideas become for the technological implications for consciousness. This correlates with Vinge being exceptional for writing different-to-human intelligence and aliens who think and see things differently to humans too, eg. in Fire, a race of dog-like pack-mind aliens who only reach human-like sentience when they assemble as a pack of 4-6 doggos. They do this as part of their natural development and each pack is treated as a separate functioning individual. When writing from the perspective of this race, it's as if it's just an unremarkable story that could be from any human's perspective, until elements of their difference leak into it, such as the way they manipulate tools; the impact on their consciousness of losing a pack member; the living status of pack discards and packs with too few members; and the existence of controversial eugenics-like science on their world where packs are torturously pruned and reassembled to create super-soldiers, or where others engage in multi-generational pack incest in order to preserve the pack consciousness.

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– DemolitionsPanda 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Have you read "Protector" by Larry Niven?

It is a first contact story, where an alien ship enters the Sol system with a single occupant.

It turns out the pilot is a super-intelligent humanoid on a mission. The alien is soon dead, but the Belter who made contact with him is changed forever and becomes the Protector of the human race.

It is an older book and from early in Niven's career before he discovered swinging and got weird. At the height of his power Niven was a great author, and this is one of his better works.

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– ZeroPercentCamoIndex 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Nope, thanks for the rec. I see Niven mentioned a bunch, so worth a try for when I finally buy another novel.

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– Bottle_of_Memes 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Have any more recommendations? A Fire Upon the Deep and the Culture series are some of my favorite books, but I haven't found much else that tackles the same topic, at least not on the same scale.

The Revelation Space series kind of touches on similar topics though more in the sense of being a clear inspiration for the bad guys in Mass Effect.

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– ZeroPercentCamoIndex 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

That's about the limit of my recommendations myself. I loved Revelation Space and enjoyed the others in the series but found that the more I checked out Reynolds beyond that series, the more hit and miss he got. It's been years since I finished a new fiction book.

Stone by Adam Roberts is an odd story that hints at an AI element as it goes on. Dreaming in Smoke by Tricia Sullivan is a bit 90s-woman-pretentious (a heroine called 'Kalypso Deed' who loves jazz - nuff said) but has some themes of communicating with a greater alien intelligence. I enjoyed both but read them absolutely yonks ago in my teens, when I was much less critical, so I can't promise either one is a recommendation that stands the test of time. Neither's really about the god-like sprawling entities that Vinge plays with, either.

Someone else here mentioned Blindsight by Peter Watts and I know that deals with post-singularity consciousness somehow, but I haven't read it.

EDIT - oh I forgot The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect, as a classic depiction of a doomsday strong AI awakening scenario. Read it online many years ago so it inhabits a different part of my mind to paper novels. Some edgy degenerate shit in it on reflection, plus the ending was absurd to me, but it's a well known, well done technological singularity idea if you haven't already read it.

Way back in the mists of time I also started and never finished Lady of Mazes by Karl Schroeder, because I lost the book. I think I was drawn to it by some sci fi AI elements, but not having ever finished it, I can't say if my instincts were right.

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