I knew you fuckers weren't paying attention to what was being written and now this just confirms it. The models for offline will still have been trained off images which is the point I was trying to make. The people downvoting me don't give a shit about any of that though and of course you're making shit up about what I wrote.
Funny how I got accused of being a reddit leftist and this is exactly what leftists do on reddit to win an argument every bloody time. Instead of responding normally, just make shit up about what the person wrote even when the post history is all there for people to see. Even if the machine learning algorithm is being trained offline that doesn't mean it hasn't started from online sources. Honestly, fuck the lot of you on this point, I'm not backing down.
Oh look, someone who thinks that when you make a prompt, the AI in real-time finds an image on Google for you.
I have absolutely no respect for people who think outright lying like that is okay.
I'm not making anything up, this is what you said:
are incapable of making art without stealing from online sources ( This is why they need to stay connected to the internet )
Please enlighten me on what this is supposed to mean, if not you saying it "steals" images from the internet when you make a prompt. If you were really just saying it has to be trained on images, then 1. that's obvious because every type of AI has to be trained so why even mention it, and 2. what does "stay connected to the internet" mean if it can be run offline?
I explained this with how the machine learning algorithm has been caught taking sources from specific artists and they noticed depending on the keywords inputted by the user that helps give the art context, doesn't always work I find, I've experimented with it myself so I do know what I'm writing about
If the programmers who have created this 'offline' AI have been ethical then they'll have taken images from some online source that isn't copyrighted or owned by an artist to help train their generation models. I wouldn't be surprised though if they just nabbed the sources from online and then gave you a bunch of models to download and carry on the generation process offline.
What happens with image generation especially is depending on what sort of keywords you're using the algorithm will eventually run out of different images to give you when enough images get generated and it quickly loses the "zomg thinking AI" mystique to it.
I've seen this happen frequently with text examples. Since programming is extremely niche, it's very easy to bugger up the algorithm and make it spew gibberish because it's searching online sources for a correct answer to a programming problem.
There was an experiment done on a godot forum where some muppet tried linking a ChatGPT and it would sometimes not even be capable of generating any code or would directly copy-paste irrelevant posts in answer to the question and it was an absolute disaster because it was confusing noobs who were trying to genuinely find things out.
TLDR: You downloaded the models for the offline machine learning and plugged them and the models will likely be using an online source. Yes it is not connected to the internet, but it is likely using data from online source that were grabbed at a specific time and that is how the machine learning works because it needs previous sources to work from and train itself. The algorithm will then continue training offline but using all of that previous data per generation to continue the image generation.
By the way, I confirmed this with other programmers as well, image generation and these chat bots really aren't that impressive.
I probably misinterpreted your original post, but it was written exactly like how many anti-AI lefties make their arguments. For example again here you said
because it's searching online sources for a correct answer
Even if you don't literally mean "the AI program is using Google when you enter a prompt", anti-AI people on the social medias do literally think that's how it works.
But I don't see how AI is "stealing" anything. Not anymore than any human artist would be "stealing" by getting inspiration from other people's art, which is what every single artist does.
I do agree with you that people overhype it a lot. I've seen way too many people using ChatGPT as a source as if it's a font of knowledge, and not just an advanced Markov chain.
Mate you are British, you know nothing but socialism xD
More serious though if argue size of files and space storage perhaps point them to the old demo scene in order to help them understand how to storage better than AAA games.
The vast majority of AAA bytes are wasted space (not making a value judgement here -- this is information theory). Textures are legit. We just don't care.
People have been rightly making the point about big studios and how they're having a major brain drain all over. There's no helping them, even if I went out of my way to offer them a solution they'd probably call me a white supremacist bigot after glancing through my social media for five seconds.
Easily one of the biggest problems big studios have is they refuse to adapt and their choice of software is dragging them down hard. Instead the end game seems to be to milk the fanbase for all it's worth and try to attract leftists who don't play video games in the first place. Oh that and the polygon vomit along with 4k texture files certainly don't help the file sizes. It seems it's mostly texture files that are responsible for the level of bloat in these games.
Now that I think about it a lot of the pro's make heavy use of Substance Painter and then all of a sudden it makes sense.
Mostly texture (although sound for multiple language does also increase it), which is increased massively by all the micro transaction skins cause even they are not saved efficiently xD.
And it was a small time where the 4k textures were extra download as free dlc, which is a good option useful use of standard storefront format.
Oh look, someone who thinks that when you make a prompt, the AI in real-time finds an image on Google for you.
Please learn what machine learning is and until then, stop acting like you know better than us.
I knew you fuckers weren't paying attention to what was being written and now this just confirms it. The models for offline will still have been trained off images which is the point I was trying to make. The people downvoting me don't give a shit about any of that though and of course you're making shit up about what I wrote.
Funny how I got accused of being a reddit leftist and this is exactly what leftists do on reddit to win an argument every bloody time. Instead of responding normally, just make shit up about what the person wrote even when the post history is all there for people to see. Even if the machine learning algorithm is being trained offline that doesn't mean it hasn't started from online sources. Honestly, fuck the lot of you on this point, I'm not backing down.
I have absolutely no respect for people who think outright lying like that is okay.
I'm not making anything up, this is what you said:
Please enlighten me on what this is supposed to mean, if not you saying it "steals" images from the internet when you make a prompt. If you were really just saying it has to be trained on images, then 1. that's obvious because every type of AI has to be trained so why even mention it, and 2. what does "stay connected to the internet" mean if it can be run offline?
I explained this with how the machine learning algorithm has been caught taking sources from specific artists and they noticed depending on the keywords inputted by the user that helps give the art context, doesn't always work I find, I've experimented with it myself so I do know what I'm writing about
If the programmers who have created this 'offline' AI have been ethical then they'll have taken images from some online source that isn't copyrighted or owned by an artist to help train their generation models. I wouldn't be surprised though if they just nabbed the sources from online and then gave you a bunch of models to download and carry on the generation process offline.
What happens with image generation especially is depending on what sort of keywords you're using the algorithm will eventually run out of different images to give you when enough images get generated and it quickly loses the "zomg thinking AI" mystique to it.
I've seen this happen frequently with text examples. Since programming is extremely niche, it's very easy to bugger up the algorithm and make it spew gibberish because it's searching online sources for a correct answer to a programming problem.
There was an experiment done on a godot forum where some muppet tried linking a ChatGPT and it would sometimes not even be capable of generating any code or would directly copy-paste irrelevant posts in answer to the question and it was an absolute disaster because it was confusing noobs who were trying to genuinely find things out.
TLDR: You downloaded the models for the offline machine learning and plugged them and the models will likely be using an online source. Yes it is not connected to the internet, but it is likely using data from online source that were grabbed at a specific time and that is how the machine learning works because it needs previous sources to work from and train itself. The algorithm will then continue training offline but using all of that previous data per generation to continue the image generation.
By the way, I confirmed this with other programmers as well, image generation and these chat bots really aren't that impressive.
I probably misinterpreted your original post, but it was written exactly like how many anti-AI lefties make their arguments. For example again here you said
Even if you don't literally mean "the AI program is using Google when you enter a prompt", anti-AI people on the social medias do literally think that's how it works.
But I don't see how AI is "stealing" anything. Not anymore than any human artist would be "stealing" by getting inspiration from other people's art, which is what every single artist does.
I do agree with you that people overhype it a lot. I've seen way too many people using ChatGPT as a source as if it's a font of knowledge, and not just an advanced Markov chain.
Mate you are British, you know nothing but socialism xD
More serious though if argue size of files and space storage perhaps point them to the old demo scene in order to help them understand how to storage better than AAA games.
The vast majority of AAA bytes are wasted space (not making a value judgement here -- this is information theory). Textures are legit. We just don't care.
People have been rightly making the point about big studios and how they're having a major brain drain all over. There's no helping them, even if I went out of my way to offer them a solution they'd probably call me a white supremacist bigot after glancing through my social media for five seconds.
Easily one of the biggest problems big studios have is they refuse to adapt and their choice of software is dragging them down hard. Instead the end game seems to be to milk the fanbase for all it's worth and try to attract leftists who don't play video games in the first place. Oh that and the polygon vomit along with 4k texture files certainly don't help the file sizes. It seems it's mostly texture files that are responsible for the level of bloat in these games.
Now that I think about it a lot of the pro's make heavy use of Substance Painter and then all of a sudden it makes sense.
Mostly texture (although sound for multiple language does also increase it), which is increased massively by all the micro transaction skins cause even they are not saved efficiently xD.
And it was a small time where the 4k textures were extra download as free dlc, which is a good option useful use of standard storefront format.