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Anti-Jihadi-Invasion Geert Wilders just won the most seats in Dutch elections. (twitter.com)
posted 2 years ago by NatalieBiden 2 years ago by NatalieBiden +78 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 15 points 2 years ago +15 / -0

They will certainly try, but this defeat is so immense that they will have a hard time doing it.

And if they do, they'll lose even more voters and end up in a worse situation.

My worst worry is that he will prove another Meloni.

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– Kaarous 17 points 2 years ago +17 / -0

A hard time doing it? Literally every other party has already sworn not to include him.

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– AntonioOfVenice 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

Good thing politicians aren't known for keeping their word. I'd almost wish they'd try. Because the resulting coalitions would need so many parties, would be so unwieldy and unpopular that they would discredit the whole system - as is happening in Germany.

A lot of "center-right" parties steal right-wing votes that want lower immigration, less climate insanity. They will lose even more of their voters if they actually follow through on not including him, and instead going for a crazy 6-party coalition just to exclude him. They will try to avoid that.

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– dagthegnome 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

The establishment parties collectively have enough seats to form a government while excluding the PVV, the FVD and the Farmers party.

A brand new "centre-right" party just split off from the Christian Democrats in the final leg of the campaign and took everyone by surprise by eating up a lot of populist votes. It's exactly an "En Marche" or RFK Jr scenario where an establishment politician pops up pretending to be a more palatable populist, standing against the conventional parties, and people fall for it every time.

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– AntonioOfVenice 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Note that Omtzigt, the 'new guy', split off from the Christian Democrats about two years ago when the PM tried to get him removed from the parliament for holding the government accountable. He actually stole fewer populist votes than expected. 35 seats for Geert Wilders is an absolute stunner, more than anyone expected. This will send shockwaves through all of Europe.

Count up the number of populist and semi-populist seats and you will find a great improvement. And if the new party does not deliver, his voters will simply move to the other ones.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not white pilled. I think that none of this will amount to anything. Just not for the reasons that you think.

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– dagthegnome 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

The only truly "anti-establishment" parties in the Netherlands are the VVD, the FvD and the Famer-Citizen coalition. Now that support for the latter has collapsed, even combined with Wilders they'll get about a quarter of the seats. The most intelligent and thoughtful dissident leader is Thierry Baudet, and it looks as though the FvD may not even win a single seat, so say goodbye to all of his epic speeches. Overall, considering the momentum behind the Dutch farmers protests last year, this is pretty disappointing.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I'm impressed by your knowledge of European politics, but you still look at it too much from the American/Canadian perspective. There was zero chance of these parties gaining a majority. The aim was to get as many seats to make it impossible for the powers that be to get around you. And these three parties gained more seats than anyone could have expected or predicted. FVD will definitely win at least 2 seats. From the last exit poll:

PVV (35)
BBB (7)
FVD (3)

That's 45 seats out of 150, nearly 1/3 of seats. That is pretty great.

Add to it other proper right-wing, populist and semi-populist parties, and you get slightly less than half.

NSC (20)
SGP (3)
JA21 (1)

That is 69 seats out of 150.

I'm not sure why you are disappointed. This is better than anyone on the 'right' could have hoped for (noting that a lot of European 'far-right' parties are not right-wing economically even by European standards, let alone American standards). I can guarantee you that no one in Europe dared to even hope for a result that was this good.

Does this guarantee government participation? No. Does this guarantee a good government? No. It's Europe. We're screwed no matter what. But it's pretty awesome all the same. Imagine a dying dog giving a vicious bite to a thug that beat it to death.

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– Matamoros834 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Geert Wilders has lived under armed guard, moving from safe house to safe house every single night, for more than 10 years. He's the real deal.

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