I'm not sure where you're getting "giving up" from MGTOW. It's a very rational calculation of the costs and benefits of entering into a relationship or marriage or having children and deciding that the cost exceed the benefits.
If you cancel your cable subscription because they raise the price and you no longer feel you're getting an appropriate level of value in return, do you also consider that "giving up" on cable?
The freedom to not enter into a relationship is one of the few you've got left. Once you're dating or married there are plenty of laws that strip you of personal agency and help transfer your wealth to women. MGTOW maximizes your benefits by protecting you from that. If the situation changes to make it worthwhile to date again, then great, but MGTOW optimizes you for the reality today.
So yeah, my proposal for fixing this is hijack the societal brainwashing apparatus and recalibrate it to call whores bad people again and praise women who are loyal.
Oh gotcha, we'll just rewrite how society works. And how do we do that?
Well, we could change a bunch of laws. Oh shit, the government is 100% in favor of females and actively supports pro-female discrimination in the workplace and family court is pretty much designed to extract everything possible from men and give it to women. They're probably not going to jump on board with your big plan.
How about the media? We could use them to change social norms. Too bad buddy, they're in lockstep with the government. They paint even moderate men's rights activists as wackos; they're absolutely not going to adopt your point of view. Slut shaming is probably the nicest thing they'll accuse you of.
You all aren't listening and are talking as if I'm unfamiliar with MGTOW and it's incredibly annoying. It would be more productive for me to become outright hostile at this point in the conversation if I'm going to bother continuing it at all.
Sitting on your ass isn't a solution, it's giving up on solving the problem and opting to simply save your own hide. Admit as much to yourselves or shut the fuck up.
As I said, weighing costs and benefits and taking the most efficient course of action isn't sitting on your ass or giving up. It's accepting reality and optimizing your experience in life based on it.
I'll ask again: what is your proposed solution? Your answer so far seems to be simply "remake society to enforce traditional values on women". Believing that the Western world is going to just wake up and decide that they're doing it wrong is pure fantasy. And unless you've got the largest army the world has ever seen you're not going to be able to force it on them either.
I'm not sure where you're getting "giving up" from MGTOW. It's a very rational calculation of the costs and benefits of entering into a relationship or marriage or having children and deciding that the cost exceed the benefits.
If you cancel your cable subscription because they raise the price and you no longer feel you're getting an appropriate level of value in return, do you also consider that "giving up" on cable?
The freedom to not enter into a relationship is one of the few you've got left. Once you're dating or married there are plenty of laws that strip you of personal agency and help transfer your wealth to women. MGTOW maximizes your benefits by protecting you from that. If the situation changes to make it worthwhile to date again, then great, but MGTOW optimizes you for the reality today.
Oh gotcha, we'll just rewrite how society works. And how do we do that?
Well, we could change a bunch of laws. Oh shit, the government is 100% in favor of females and actively supports pro-female discrimination in the workplace and family court is pretty much designed to extract everything possible from men and give it to women. They're probably not going to jump on board with your big plan.
How about the media? We could use them to change social norms. Too bad buddy, they're in lockstep with the government. They paint even moderate men's rights activists as wackos; they're absolutely not going to adopt your point of view. Slut shaming is probably the nicest thing they'll accuse you of.
So whadda you got left?
You all aren't listening and are talking as if I'm unfamiliar with MGTOW and it's incredibly annoying. It would be more productive for me to become outright hostile at this point in the conversation if I'm going to bother continuing it at all.
Sitting on your ass isn't a solution, it's giving up on solving the problem and opting to simply save your own hide. Admit as much to yourselves or shut the fuck up.
As I said, weighing costs and benefits and taking the most efficient course of action isn't sitting on your ass or giving up. It's accepting reality and optimizing your experience in life based on it.
I'll ask again: what is your proposed solution? Your answer so far seems to be simply "remake society to enforce traditional values on women". Believing that the Western world is going to just wake up and decide that they're doing it wrong is pure fantasy. And unless you've got the largest army the world has ever seen you're not going to be able to force it on them either.