Reading the comments of the people who want it suppressed and didn’t get mass downvoted, I ran into something common:
They want it banned because they believe that the society that they want is completely incompatible with that content existing, or that banning said content is completely consistent with 1A because the US existed for almost 200 years without such content (porn in general, lolisho really only got over here because of anime becoming a sensation) being mass distributed throughout the country.
Going back to lolisho specifically, there’s no way to get around the fact that sexual lolisho art depicts children in sexual situations, and I personally don’t believe that anime looking like it does matters, because that’s still a human out there, so the reaction to it is gonna be what it is regardless. The discussion tends to be a lot more…focused and less calling people authoritarians and pedos when we actually address the elephant in the room, so I might as well do it in the main post instead of a comment.
I’m just a college student that’s not that well informed on why this is being used as a canary in the coalmine, but I’ll let y’all have at it.
Exactly. It's an extremely dangerous slippery slope, and I think it amounts to falling for a leftist trap. Basically, the right has to go hard, or be very careful about handing ammunition to the left. Unless they're going to take over everything and go full authoritarian, unless they're going to fight by leftist rules and abandon their principles, this will backfire hugely.
I've said it before, but I think the most dangerous attack is getting a foot in the door on government age-verification. And the thing people fail to realize is, it's not just "asking children" for ID. You by definition don't know their age until you get their ID, so this is asking everyone, and it goes downhill very fast to stopping adults from looking at certain content. "Think of the children" is bullshit manipulation, and the right is falling for it.
My go to example is, imagine if they push the gun purchasing age to 21 federally. I can easily see the government telling adults (18, 19, 20) they can't access firearm content. And, by extension, any sort of militia or even general freedom or anti-government content. It's not even that far down the slippery slope. There's no limiting principle.
The right is retarded to push more authoritarianism, even if we agree the morals are correct, if they're not willing to go all the way. If we want to ban loli/porn, it can't be done while leftists control law and society. Any attempt will backfire massively. The right is once again trying to operative within the current framework, when they can't win within the current framework. This can't be done halfheartedly. Unless they go full authoritarian or Rules for Radicals (which I'm not advocating for, by the way), any laws made is just more tools for the leftists currently in power to oppress us more. This isn't about porn, this isn't about loli. This really is, for me, about a very real worry that this will all come down on people like us, the enemies of the Regime.
Basically remember the Patriot Act? Remember the left in charge with the Patriot act in effect?
Now imagine the left in charge when you've handed them the power to ban and censor anything that goes against THEIR morals. As we don't have any studies because they all get blocked on if this stuff DOES effect pedophilia whether it increases rates of assault or if it turns out to be like the studies into violent video games where it actually lessens aggression by being a cathartic release.
I keep fiction and reality seperate for a reason, the west is so concerned about fiction OVER reality that they've:
Diversified historically based fiction, added current day politics to them, race and gender swapped roles, banned older content deemed 'too offensive for the current times' and suppressed anyone not playing ball.
While in reality: You have the kind of scum El Salvador ripped up their constitution to deal with entering freely in, law and order has totally broken down, people calling themselves teachers are freely grooming kids and self harm is being openly promoted as 'gender treatment'
I feel like the right is like a dog chasing cars at times, they chase after stuff with no plan or strategy and this one of those occasions you are playing into authoritarian hands saying 'ban and prosecute those making fictional content I don't like'
For clarity, I'm not proposing the authoritarian approach, merely pointing out that for people who want an actual "solution" to the "problem," this down the middle approach is going to backfire, and badly.
Correct. And I don't even see people (outside of a few freaks) trying to normalize loli. As long as it stays in private, I don't see it as a problem, especially, as you rightly point out, when we have so many other much bigger problems.
Loli isn't what's destroying our culture. As long as you're not pushing it to children (and it's the left pushing and defending that brand of degeneracy), I'm not even sure it's harmful beyond at most the individual. As an example, Japan, societally is apparently pretty wholesome and "conservative." Even though there seems to be a weird obsession with all kinds of perverted stuff (incest, loli, stalker/rape, etc.), it doesn't overflow into society/culture there. Japan can separate their (admittedly weird) fiction from reality.
They have some really weird shit, but it doesn't seem to be used subversively like similar trends are in the West. It's all about how it's used, not what is out there.
And, again, I'm in complete agreement that we have much bigger issues. Let's tackle those before this, especially if the way we're going to tackle this just ends up giving our enemies more tools to oppress us.
The left will do what they want regardless
And maybe the right shouldn't help them erode our rights, is my incredibly controversial point...