Did the right go from telling men to man up and be "alphas" to blaming women for not wanting some soy-infused beta loser?
Betas are just men who don't get chosen for their looks and height and have to offer prostitution adjacent "relationships" to get women. All soy infused losers are betas, but not all betas are soy infused losers.
Why are you bitter about 'the bed they made'?
Why are you resorting to feminist shaming tactics to shut down anyone who comments on civilization destroying social trends? I've already been sized up for betabuxxing and extricating myself from that situation was not a good time. It's high time these entitled feminists learned to take "no" for an answer.
Betas are just men who don't get chosen for their looks and height
Except that when they do get chosen, you claim that it's just for "beta bux", even when there is no evidence at all for that. So in essence, you're just in your own way.
And if you just look around outside, you find a lot of couples where the man is fat, short, badly dressed, rather abominable, certainly more so than the woman. Clearly, women's standards are not that high, in fact, they may be way too low and that is part of what is destroying civilization.
Why are you resorting to feminist shaming tactics
I'm not shaming anyone. It's just noticeable that you sound bitter.
It's the ones who rode the cock carousel until the age of 35 and expect a billionaire gigachad to descend from the heavens and marry them that are having issues, and they can go get fucked in the bed they made.
Why would you be mad about some hypothetical woman "riding the cock carousel", and then having bad consequences fore it? Did she wrong you in any way?
to shut down anyone who comments on civilization destroying social trends?
Because you don't comment on the trend as much as you try to individualize the blame. People respond to incentives, and if men could get supermodels until age 35 (which is what you claim), exactly 100% would be doing that.
I've already been sized up for betabuxxing and extricating myself from that situation was not a good time. It'
So this is gonna be a mess to respond to the way I usually do, but a couple things:
I'm not in my own way, because I'm out of the dating market. Maybe that bitterness you sense is frustration, because I'm certainly frustrated. Both by women trying to betabux me on a personal level, and by the way romantically unsuccessful people are either demonized or coddled depending on whether they have dicks. I'm not interested in dating, but I get how hard it must be for men who are. It's hard to take an interest in men's issues and not conclude that Imp is right about a nontrivial proportion of the female population.
Yes I individualize the blame. They wanted their precious choice, so they can take responsibility for once in their lives. Having watched numerous women in my life make good choices when it came to dating and marriage I have zero sympathy for the ones who fuck it up. But it wouldn't be so bad if they didn't drag me into their crap and pump out shit articles about how men need to "step up" to save them from the retarded decisions they made with the "liberation" our great grandfathers made the mistake of giving them.
The "cock carousel" comment you mention is meant to draw a contrast between the carousel riders and women that I've personally witnessed not fuck it up. You know what they didn't do? They didn't sleep around with top men who would never commit to them. They married the best man they could find early (just like the Manosphere advises) and started raising families by their mid 20s. Those women experienced the same incentives that the carousel riders did, but because they thought beyond the tingles Chad gives them they got the families they wanted instead of becoming inspins at the age of 40. You're right that there's an incentive problem, but it's not an excuse for the bad choices these whores made, and it's certainly not an excuse for them demanding high income men ride to their rescue because they didn't like their options when they had them.
I'm not in my own way, because I'm out of the dating market. Maybe that bitterness you sense is frustration, because I'm certainly frustrated.
I think you misunderstood what I meant. It wasn't "LOLZ U MAD CUZ U CAN'T GET BITCHES", but that you expressed seeming malice towards women who don't settle down until they are 35. How exactly have they wronged you? Of course, I can understand it towards the specific women who then demand that valuable men marry them, but that's just a few urinalist article writers. I actually feel sorry for them (except if they are feminists), because they may be ruining their own lives.
Both by women trying to betabux me on a personal level
How do you know though? You say that it's not possible for men to get a good relationship, but at the same time, you seem to frame women who do want a relationship with you as 'betabux' - whatever that means.
Historically, women have always relied on the incomes of their husbands. The difference now is that some of them have their own income, which makes that somewhat dubious.
and by the way romantically unsuccessful people are either demonized or coddled depending on whether they have dicks.
Oh no, Trancels are beloved, even though they have dicks.
Yes I individualize the blame. They wanted their precious choice, so they can take responsibility for once in their lives.
That's like me saying that you had your choice, and that you failed because you did not become a secret agent astronaut millionaire bodybuilder who can get any girl. Both the 'unsuccessful' men and the miserable women would have been perfectly fine throughout all of recorded history and probably before, but for the present system that makes that much harder.
They didn't sleep around with top men who would never commit to them.
Imagine for a moment that 20-year-old guys could get and sleep with supermodels (who would not commit to them). How many do you think would not make use of that. Probably fewer than the females.
They married the best man they could find early (just like the Manosphere advises) and started raising families by their mid 20s.
They didn't get that advice from the 'Manosphere', nor from education, nor from society. All are telling them that they can 'have it all'. Basically the only place where you can get this is your family. If you're not raised right, then you basically have no chance - unless you can figure this out from first principles, which basically no one can.
You're right that there's an incentive problem, but it's not an excuse for the bad choices these whores made, and it's certainly not an excuse for them demanding high income men ride to their rescue because they didn't like their options when they had them.
No one needs to 'ride' to anyone's rescue. That said, even feminist women are victims of today's rotten culture. Had they grown up in any other time, they'd be just fine, just like the 'unsuccessful' men - they are all the products of an unbroken sequence of genetic winners, after all.
I think you misunderstood what I meant. It wasn't "LOLZ U MAD CUZ U CAN'T GET BITCHES"
Fair enough. I was sensing that the all too predictable incel slur was coming, and it's much easier to take a charitable view of what you're saying now that I know I was mistaken.
Oh no, Trancels are beloved, even though they have dicks.
Touché.
There's plenty more I could say, but it's getting late.
Betas are just men who don't get chosen for their looks and height and have to offer prostitution adjacent "relationships" to get women. All soy infused losers are betas, but not all betas are soy infused losers.
Why are you resorting to feminist shaming tactics to shut down anyone who comments on civilization destroying social trends? I've already been sized up for betabuxxing and extricating myself from that situation was not a good time. It's high time these entitled feminists learned to take "no" for an answer.
Except that when they do get chosen, you claim that it's just for "beta bux", even when there is no evidence at all for that. So in essence, you're just in your own way.
And if you just look around outside, you find a lot of couples where the man is fat, short, badly dressed, rather abominable, certainly more so than the woman. Clearly, women's standards are not that high, in fact, they may be way too low and that is part of what is destroying civilization.
I'm not shaming anyone. It's just noticeable that you sound bitter.
It's the ones who rode the cock carousel until the age of 35 and expect a billionaire gigachad to descend from the heavens and marry them that are having issues, and they can go get fucked in the bed they made.
Why would you be mad about some hypothetical woman "riding the cock carousel", and then having bad consequences fore it? Did she wrong you in any way?
Because you don't comment on the trend as much as you try to individualize the blame. People respond to incentives, and if men could get supermodels until age 35 (which is what you claim), exactly 100% would be doing that.
See your first sentence.
So this is gonna be a mess to respond to the way I usually do, but a couple things:
I'm not in my own way, because I'm out of the dating market. Maybe that bitterness you sense is frustration, because I'm certainly frustrated. Both by women trying to betabux me on a personal level, and by the way romantically unsuccessful people are either demonized or coddled depending on whether they have dicks. I'm not interested in dating, but I get how hard it must be for men who are. It's hard to take an interest in men's issues and not conclude that Imp is right about a nontrivial proportion of the female population.
Yes I individualize the blame. They wanted their precious choice, so they can take responsibility for once in their lives. Having watched numerous women in my life make good choices when it came to dating and marriage I have zero sympathy for the ones who fuck it up. But it wouldn't be so bad if they didn't drag me into their crap and pump out shit articles about how men need to "step up" to save them from the retarded decisions they made with the "liberation" our great grandfathers made the mistake of giving them.
The "cock carousel" comment you mention is meant to draw a contrast between the carousel riders and women that I've personally witnessed not fuck it up. You know what they didn't do? They didn't sleep around with top men who would never commit to them. They married the best man they could find early (just like the Manosphere advises) and started raising families by their mid 20s. Those women experienced the same incentives that the carousel riders did, but because they thought beyond the tingles Chad gives them they got the families they wanted instead of becoming inspins at the age of 40. You're right that there's an incentive problem, but it's not an excuse for the bad choices these whores made, and it's certainly not an excuse for them demanding high income men ride to their rescue because they didn't like their options when they had them.
I think you misunderstood what I meant. It wasn't "LOLZ U MAD CUZ U CAN'T GET BITCHES", but that you expressed seeming malice towards women who don't settle down until they are 35. How exactly have they wronged you? Of course, I can understand it towards the specific women who then demand that valuable men marry them, but that's just a few urinalist article writers. I actually feel sorry for them (except if they are feminists), because they may be ruining their own lives.
How do you know though? You say that it's not possible for men to get a good relationship, but at the same time, you seem to frame women who do want a relationship with you as 'betabux' - whatever that means.
Historically, women have always relied on the incomes of their husbands. The difference now is that some of them have their own income, which makes that somewhat dubious.
Oh no, Trancels are beloved, even though they have dicks.
That's like me saying that you had your choice, and that you failed because you did not become a secret agent astronaut millionaire bodybuilder who can get any girl. Both the 'unsuccessful' men and the miserable women would have been perfectly fine throughout all of recorded history and probably before, but for the present system that makes that much harder.
Imagine for a moment that 20-year-old guys could get and sleep with supermodels (who would not commit to them). How many do you think would not make use of that. Probably fewer than the females.
They didn't get that advice from the 'Manosphere', nor from education, nor from society. All are telling them that they can 'have it all'. Basically the only place where you can get this is your family. If you're not raised right, then you basically have no chance - unless you can figure this out from first principles, which basically no one can.
No one needs to 'ride' to anyone's rescue. That said, even feminist women are victims of today's rotten culture. Had they grown up in any other time, they'd be just fine, just like the 'unsuccessful' men - they are all the products of an unbroken sequence of genetic winners, after all.
Fair enough. I was sensing that the all too predictable incel slur was coming, and it's much easier to take a charitable view of what you're saying now that I know I was mistaken.
Touché.
There's plenty more I could say, but it's getting late.
Women that don't settle down till 35 have wronged society. We cannot function as society in the long term with illogical behavior like that