More importantly, it is very typical to put your demands higher than they actually are so that when you negotiate down you still get what you want. Perhaps something along the lines of "We give up claims to Crimea if you give up claims to Donbas" sort of deal.
Either way, I dont see Putin agreeing either. This was really his only shot. If he does pull back, and then try again in a few years ready for round 2, Ukraine is going to be dug in and ready to rock and roll. This time with even more Western weapons that even just the samples have been rolling the Russians, not to mention Ukraine likely being in NATO or some sort of alliance protected by the US and other Western nations.
More importantly, it is very typical to put your demands higher than they actually are so that when you negotiate down you still get what you want.
Correct, but these are not demands, these are preconditions for any negotiation. This is clearly an attempt to prolong the war as long as possible.
This time with even more Western weapons that even just the samples have been rolling the Russians
Are you talking about those wreckages of the Bradleys and Leopards? Gotta say, there's nothing more satisfying than seeing the wrecks of Nazi-driven German tanks that were attacking Russia.
not to mention Ukraine likely being in NATO or some sort of alliance protected by the US and other Western nations.
You sound more enthusiastic about getting nuked than the average person is. Jingoism really is a disease. The victims of US empire cheering like mad dogs in favor of the US empire elsewhere, quite astonishing.
Also, in both cases they suffered extremely minor crew losses. So I would suppress that boner over "dead Nazis" if I was you.
You sound more enthusiastic about getting nuked
More like I have learned that when you are dealing with someone who acts tough but isnt, you respond by taking their gun, putting it up to your head, and saying "Pull the trigger! You wont, no balls!" Because they dont have the balls, and that is when you pull your own gun.
The way you invite the danger you fear is by acting weak.
US Empire
Honestly, I have come to learn the Republic was overrated. People say we are Rome 2.0? Sure, why not. Bring on the Empire! You aint seen Pax Americana yet, boy!
Link to Reddit, which links to Twitter, of a pro-Ukraine account with Mastodon in bio, which claims that it's undergoing repairs.
That's your heroic victory? No wonder the Westoids have been eerily quiet about their puppet's "counteroffensive".
So I would suppress that boner over "dead Nazis" if I was you.
I only said that they were driven by Nazis, and only to keep the symmetry with WW2. Unlike the Westoids cheering for Russian tourists being killed by sharks, I don't like to see people die - even confirmed Azov Battalion members. If I can see Western tanks get absolutely wrecked with 0 Ukrainians dying, so much the better! I can enjoy it with a clean conscience.
More like I have learned that when you are dealing with someone who acts tough but isnt, you respond by taking their gun, putting it up to your head, and saying "Pull the trigger! You wont, no balls!" Because they dont have the balls, and that is when you pull your own gun.
Got it, Putin isn't tough but Biden is. Russia isn't, but the country that places Puppy Play fetishists in charge of nuclear waste is.
I mean, aside from the sheer craziness of this, how do you make this stuff up?
The way you invite the danger you fear is by acting weak.
No, you do it by being weak. 'Memba how Russia was weak in the 1990s and the West used it to plunder the country and expand NATO up to its borders? Or China's Century of Humiliation? Or how Mexico was invaded by the US and had half its territory stolen?
Honestly, I have come to learn the Republic was overrated. People say we are Rome 2.0? Sure, why not.
The US sure has the degeneracy lined up. And in case you're not just playing dumb, obviously Rome had a territorial empire long before its rule transformed into an empire.
But of course, you said this to evade the question I was asking you. How come you know full well how bad the regime is, because you suffer from it at home, and yet cheer for it elsewhere? You know they lie about basically everything, including every war they got you into, but this time it's somehow different?
I was previously pro-Ukraine, until I saw John Mearsheimer's explanation of why the regime was responsible for the problems there. I'd actually supported the Maidan coup because the media here misinformed me about it. But after corona, all the lies in the past few years, how they're literally killing us with energy and farming policies, the mere fact that my government is pro-Ukraine would have been sufficient to make me pro-Russia. The enemy of my enemy...
(btw, you got an upvote from me simply because I enjoy the conversation, as grievously wrong as you are)
Link to Reddit, which links to Twitter, of a pro-Ukraine account with Mastodon in bio, which claims that it's undergoing repairs
Today I learned photographic evidence dont real.
I mean, I could have linked to a news article, but all of them were shitting their pants and screaming how the end is neigh because they dont understand how to military. Because they news doesnt actually care as much as you think they do.
No wonder the Westoids have been eerily quiet about their puppet's "counteroffensive".
We call that "Operational Security" here in the West, but knowing how Eastoids fight their wars I wouldnt expect them to understand. Or do you forget that there was also not much about Kherson until there were Ukrainians marching in the streets, and then we got to see everything they had done since it didnt matter anymore.
Got it, Putin isn't tough but Biden is
Not so much Biden is tough. Just Putin is even weaker.
Russia isn't, but the country that places Puppy Play fetishists in charge of nuclear waste is.
I know, right? Now imagine how much more powerful we would be if we stopped doing deliberately retarded shit because we felt like it.
'Memba how Russia was weak in the 1990s and the West used it to plunder the country and expand NATO up to its borders?
Looks at the things the Soviets did to them over the course of 50 years
Gee, I wonder why they all wanted to go join the "Fuck Russia" club, and why Poland is constantly looking for a reason to go smash some Russian skulls. Or are you so far gone you think they were forced into it instead of joining willingly?
Or China's Century of Humiliation? Or how Mexico was invaded by the US and had half its territory stolen?
Correct. When you are weak, then the terms are dictated to you whether you like it or not. Especially when you are so weak you get wailed on by someone with one hand behind their back.
And in case you're not just playing dumb, obviously Rome had a territorial empire long before its rule transformed into an empire.
And then it formalized it, expanded to eat the entire known world, and continued to live for over 1,000 years. Sounds like a good deal to me. Especially since I consider a Woke American Empire superior to anything China or Russia would offer me (I can at least get rid of the Woke and get new elites, but keep the Empire).
More importantly, it is very typical to put your demands higher than they actually are so that when you negotiate down you still get what you want. Perhaps something along the lines of "We give up claims to Crimea if you give up claims to Donbas" sort of deal.
Either way, I dont see Putin agreeing either. This was really his only shot. If he does pull back, and then try again in a few years ready for round 2, Ukraine is going to be dug in and ready to rock and roll. This time with even more Western weapons that even just the samples have been rolling the Russians, not to mention Ukraine likely being in NATO or some sort of alliance protected by the US and other Western nations.
Correct, but these are not demands, these are preconditions for any negotiation. This is clearly an attempt to prolong the war as long as possible.
Are you talking about those wreckages of the Bradleys and Leopards? Gotta say, there's nothing more satisfying than seeing the wrecks of Nazi-driven German tanks that were attacking Russia.
You sound more enthusiastic about getting nuked than the average person is. Jingoism really is a disease. The victims of US empire cheering like mad dogs in favor of the US empire elsewhere, quite astonishing.
Leopard: "I lived, bitch"
Bradley: "I lived, bitch"
Also, in both cases they suffered extremely minor crew losses. So I would suppress that boner over "dead Nazis" if I was you.
More like I have learned that when you are dealing with someone who acts tough but isnt, you respond by taking their gun, putting it up to your head, and saying "Pull the trigger! You wont, no balls!" Because they dont have the balls, and that is when you pull your own gun.
The way you invite the danger you fear is by acting weak.
Honestly, I have come to learn the Republic was overrated. People say we are Rome 2.0? Sure, why not. Bring on the Empire! You aint seen Pax Americana yet, boy!
Link to Reddit, which links to Twitter, of a pro-Ukraine account with Mastodon in bio, which claims that it's undergoing repairs.
That's your heroic victory? No wonder the Westoids have been eerily quiet about their puppet's "counteroffensive".
I only said that they were driven by Nazis, and only to keep the symmetry with WW2. Unlike the Westoids cheering for Russian tourists being killed by sharks, I don't like to see people die - even confirmed Azov Battalion members. If I can see Western tanks get absolutely wrecked with 0 Ukrainians dying, so much the better! I can enjoy it with a clean conscience.
Got it, Putin isn't tough but Biden is. Russia isn't, but the country that places Puppy Play fetishists in charge of nuclear waste is.
I mean, aside from the sheer craziness of this, how do you make this stuff up?
No, you do it by being weak. 'Memba how Russia was weak in the 1990s and the West used it to plunder the country and expand NATO up to its borders? Or China's Century of Humiliation? Or how Mexico was invaded by the US and had half its territory stolen?
The US sure has the degeneracy lined up. And in case you're not just playing dumb, obviously Rome had a territorial empire long before its rule transformed into an empire.
But of course, you said this to evade the question I was asking you. How come you know full well how bad the regime is, because you suffer from it at home, and yet cheer for it elsewhere? You know they lie about basically everything, including every war they got you into, but this time it's somehow different?
I was previously pro-Ukraine, until I saw John Mearsheimer's explanation of why the regime was responsible for the problems there. I'd actually supported the Maidan coup because the media here misinformed me about it. But after corona, all the lies in the past few years, how they're literally killing us with energy and farming policies, the mere fact that my government is pro-Ukraine would have been sufficient to make me pro-Russia. The enemy of my enemy...
(btw, you got an upvote from me simply because I enjoy the conversation, as grievously wrong as you are)
Today I learned photographic evidence dont real.
I mean, I could have linked to a news article, but all of them were shitting their pants and screaming how the end is neigh because they dont understand how to military. Because they news doesnt actually care as much as you think they do.
We call that "Operational Security" here in the West, but knowing how Eastoids fight their wars I wouldnt expect them to understand. Or do you forget that there was also not much about Kherson until there were Ukrainians marching in the streets, and then we got to see everything they had done since it didnt matter anymore.
Not so much Biden is tough. Just Putin is even weaker.
I know, right? Now imagine how much more powerful we would be if we stopped doing deliberately retarded shit because we felt like it.
Looks at the things the Soviets did to them over the course of 50 years
Gee, I wonder why they all wanted to go join the "Fuck Russia" club, and why Poland is constantly looking for a reason to go smash some Russian skulls. Or are you so far gone you think they were forced into it instead of joining willingly?
Correct. When you are weak, then the terms are dictated to you whether you like it or not. Especially when you are so weak you get wailed on by someone with one hand behind their back.
And then it formalized it, expanded to eat the entire known world, and continued to live for over 1,000 years. Sounds like a good deal to me. Especially since I consider a Woke American Empire superior to anything China or Russia would offer me (I can at least get rid of the Woke and get new elites, but keep the Empire).