This position only works if you had banned people like DrJester and even Antonio for getting into endless bad faith slapfights with people that did nothing but drive people away regardless of their position relative to them.
You can't keep trotting out this line when you only enforce it sometimes. If your rules aren't enforced evenly, they aren't rules. They are suggestions and protections for people you like.
And yet not a single solitary soul has said a word to me about being driven away by Dr. Jester or AoV. Just that they hate them. The same can't be said about the Stormfags. Somewhere under 6 or so people have come to me on both Reddit and .win and said something akin to: "This place is filled with anti-semites, if you can't purge them, I gotta go. It's exhausting / they never stop / it's in literally every post / I didn't think it would be that bad, but it's really toxic / I can't just argue with them forever."
That's why VOAT ended up the way it did. Even the fucking Poal admins, who were some of the original VOAT admins said the same shit: they spiral wildly out of control, and it's the only thing they ever talk about, it becomes a complete shithole, typically filled with actual feds who also keep stirring the pot.
It's actually why they invented that cool user hierarchy system. Privileges in each section and forum-wide were dished out via your experience posting and approval. Unfortunately, it didn't totally help because the whole user base was basically former VOAT users who had nowhere else to go.
This isn't just bickering. This oppositional-dialectic poisons people's minds. The ideological incantations are so repetitive (intentionally) that it warps your perception of reality. Not too unlike what porn or gore footage does when over-used. All I've seen from AoV is him get into his usual grudge matches with specific people; not craft a meta-narrative. Jester is a proud anti-anti-semite that seems to be on a genuine crusade in response to this dialectic, but his strategy clearly doesn't work all that well.
And, this isn't about "people I like". I have enforced our rules on those two, and they didn't care for it. Fuck, I've literally enforced the rules on me, to the surprise of AoV who checked the mod logs once and said, "You removed your own comment? I've always wondered if you were a robot."
And yet not a single solitary soul has said a word to me about being driven away
Yes because they just left. This is a dumb barometer and its insulting to your own intelligence that you thought to use it.
Somewhere under 6 or so people have come to me on both Reddit and .win and said
So if enough people came to you whining about the homophobia and racism and transphobia causing them to stop posting, you would consider it a real problem? Or is this just a special exception? Because it sounds like you are just making a special exception.
This oppositional-dialectic poisons people's minds.
Well I can say for certain I didn't believe an inch about stormfaggotry or their conspiracies until I continued to see people argue with them like ranting loons, and then continued special exceptions be made against them as if they were an actual corrupting evil.
The fact that you typed 5 paragraphs to justify yourself and bend into fucking knots about how some people just don't deserve the same rights as others because they might be problematic, should be a wake up call to yourself about how lost in the sauce you are.
If they are that bad just make a fucking direct rule about it and ban them. Stop being a pussy with your half vague measures and just own up to what you clearly want to do anyway.
Most people just leave when they want to leave. But that's my point. I've been around here for 3 years and nobody has ever said they left because of AoV or Jester.
Most of the people who they get into grudge matches with stay here. Instead, I've had people go back to Reddit, because it was easier to deal with that, then to deal with jew-haters being utterly incessant. A lot of people end up just doing both, because they don't want to deal with the incessant, but occasional jew hatred. They know which thread are going to be populated by ConPro aficionados, and just avoid them.
So if enough people came to you whining about the homophobia and racism and transphobia causing them to stop posting, you would consider it a real problem?
It can be. It depends on whether or not there are activist factions wholly dedicated to derailing entire forums into one and only one topic, particularly with a Leftist bent.
Put it like this: I put up that "5 post maximum" rule 3 years ago because a Tulsi Gabbard shill account and Andrenal were posting 30-50 posts a day, combined. I actually had to take action there because they were derailing the entire fucking sub to a point that was out of control. People couldn't even find their own posts. They acquiesced to it and life improved. There are dedicated efforts to push shit that destroys forums. I don't care about basic opinions of individuals, but the insane collectivist action and mind-virus level the behavior of racial progressives is something different than just an opinion.
The fact that you typed 5 paragraphs to justify yourself and bend into fucking knots about how some people just don't deserve the same rights as others because they might be problematic, should be a wake up call to yourself about how lost in the sauce you are.
People pushing those oppositional-dialectics aren't just "some people". They are ideologically possessed lunatics on a rampage. If they were normal people, they'd work within the rules. It really isn't that hard. Several of them do because they aren't total fucking retards. The rest are so ideologically driven by this oppositional-dialectic that they will never act outside of it, in defiance to it, and will only interpret all information within it.
Leftists aren't people, not as we normally understand them to be. They are literally possessed by an ideology. Even a shill makes more sense.
Instead, I've had people go back to Reddit, because it was easier to deal with that, then to deal with jew-haters being utterly incessant
And I left KIA2 reddit because the leftovers there were insufferable hugboxes. Does my opinion count? Does this problem deserve special exception attention? Or is it again, only in this one topic where it gets special exception attention?
It depends on whether or not there are activist factions wholly dedicated to derailing entire forums into one
So now its all a huge conspiracy to take over. Very rational. Just like every single person who downvotes Imp is a ConPro shill following him around to derail his gospel.
I actually had to take action there because they were derailing the entire fucking sub to a point that was out of control. People couldn't even find their own posts.
That's an apolitical action. It has no personal bias and is applied evenly and fairly. Which is all I want to get to the bottom of. Why is this topic so special beyond "because it is."
They are ideologically possessed lunatics on a rampage.
So when is there going to be an active action taken against misogyny then? Because everything you said applies to Imp, and myself to a more restrained amount. Again, everything you say makes sense but its only applied on this one topic.
I'm not a stormfag, and my posting and browsing would change almost 0% if it was all banned. I simply cannot stand inconsistency.
This position only works if you had banned people like DrJester and even Antonio for getting into endless bad faith slapfights with people that did nothing but drive people away regardless of their position relative to them.
You can't keep trotting out this line when you only enforce it sometimes. If your rules aren't enforced evenly, they aren't rules. They are suggestions and protections for people you like.
And yet not a single solitary soul has said a word to me about being driven away by Dr. Jester or AoV. Just that they hate them. The same can't be said about the Stormfags. Somewhere under 6 or so people have come to me on both Reddit and .win and said something akin to: "This place is filled with anti-semites, if you can't purge them, I gotta go. It's exhausting / they never stop / it's in literally every post / I didn't think it would be that bad, but it's really toxic / I can't just argue with them forever."
That's why VOAT ended up the way it did. Even the fucking Poal admins, who were some of the original VOAT admins said the same shit: they spiral wildly out of control, and it's the only thing they ever talk about, it becomes a complete shithole, typically filled with actual feds who also keep stirring the pot.
It's actually why they invented that cool user hierarchy system. Privileges in each section and forum-wide were dished out via your experience posting and approval. Unfortunately, it didn't totally help because the whole user base was basically former VOAT users who had nowhere else to go.
This isn't just bickering. This oppositional-dialectic poisons people's minds. The ideological incantations are so repetitive (intentionally) that it warps your perception of reality. Not too unlike what porn or gore footage does when over-used. All I've seen from AoV is him get into his usual grudge matches with specific people; not craft a meta-narrative. Jester is a proud anti-anti-semite that seems to be on a genuine crusade in response to this dialectic, but his strategy clearly doesn't work all that well.
And, this isn't about "people I like". I have enforced our rules on those two, and they didn't care for it. Fuck, I've literally enforced the rules on me, to the surprise of AoV who checked the mod logs once and said, "You removed your own comment? I've always wondered if you were a robot."
We all live under a crafted meta-narrative mate. We all do our part to enforce it from time to time, without even realizing.
We live under the perceptions of stories we tell ourselves. We don't live under meta-narratives, unless we are an idealogue.
Most people live very parochially, not ideologically.
Yes because they just left. This is a dumb barometer and its insulting to your own intelligence that you thought to use it.
So if enough people came to you whining about the homophobia and racism and transphobia causing them to stop posting, you would consider it a real problem? Or is this just a special exception? Because it sounds like you are just making a special exception.
Well I can say for certain I didn't believe an inch about stormfaggotry or their conspiracies until I continued to see people argue with them like ranting loons, and then continued special exceptions be made against them as if they were an actual corrupting evil.
The fact that you typed 5 paragraphs to justify yourself and bend into fucking knots about how some people just don't deserve the same rights as others because they might be problematic, should be a wake up call to yourself about how lost in the sauce you are.
If they are that bad just make a fucking direct rule about it and ban them. Stop being a pussy with your half vague measures and just own up to what you clearly want to do anyway.
Most people just leave when they want to leave. But that's my point. I've been around here for 3 years and nobody has ever said they left because of AoV or Jester.
Most of the people who they get into grudge matches with stay here. Instead, I've had people go back to Reddit, because it was easier to deal with that, then to deal with jew-haters being utterly incessant. A lot of people end up just doing both, because they don't want to deal with the incessant, but occasional jew hatred. They know which thread are going to be populated by ConPro aficionados, and just avoid them.
It can be. It depends on whether or not there are activist factions wholly dedicated to derailing entire forums into one and only one topic, particularly with a Leftist bent.
Put it like this: I put up that "5 post maximum" rule 3 years ago because a Tulsi Gabbard shill account and Andrenal were posting 30-50 posts a day, combined. I actually had to take action there because they were derailing the entire fucking sub to a point that was out of control. People couldn't even find their own posts. They acquiesced to it and life improved. There are dedicated efforts to push shit that destroys forums. I don't care about basic opinions of individuals, but the insane collectivist action and mind-virus level the behavior of racial progressives is something different than just an opinion.
People pushing those oppositional-dialectics aren't just "some people". They are ideologically possessed lunatics on a rampage. If they were normal people, they'd work within the rules. It really isn't that hard. Several of them do because they aren't total fucking retards. The rest are so ideologically driven by this oppositional-dialectic that they will never act outside of it, in defiance to it, and will only interpret all information within it.
Leftists aren't people, not as we normally understand them to be. They are literally possessed by an ideology. Even a shill makes more sense.
And I left KIA2 reddit because the leftovers there were insufferable hugboxes. Does my opinion count? Does this problem deserve special exception attention? Or is it again, only in this one topic where it gets special exception attention?
So now its all a huge conspiracy to take over. Very rational. Just like every single person who downvotes Imp is a ConPro shill following him around to derail his gospel.
That's an apolitical action. It has no personal bias and is applied evenly and fairly. Which is all I want to get to the bottom of. Why is this topic so special beyond "because it is."
So when is there going to be an active action taken against misogyny then? Because everything you said applies to Imp, and myself to a more restrained amount. Again, everything you say makes sense but its only applied on this one topic.
I'm not a stormfag, and my posting and browsing would change almost 0% if it was all banned. I simply cannot stand inconsistency.