From what I understand the accusation is that the money he gave Stormy Daniels falls under: " crime to conspire to promote a candidacy by unlawful means"
What is the angle here, is he trying to turn a misdemeanor that was prescribed to something much bigger?
How can he do that without first having a trial for the misdemeanor itself? Isn't Trump innocent until proven guilty? In that case they must first convict him on the "unlawful means" before charging him on "crime to conspire to promote a candidacy by unlawful means".
What do you guys think it will happen and how do you see it going down?
From what I understand of the charges, it'll be a struggle to get them to stick - even if this court convicts they wouldn't stand up to appeal.
That's not the point of it, though, I suspect. Trump's innocence or not has nothing to do with anything. The point is that the Biden admin will not crack down on an NY DA that's going after a Biden political opponent for any reason at all. And if NY fails, Trump's going to be subject to frivolous suits from other blue states until they manage to take him off the ballot in 2024.
The process is the punishment.
That’s the end game I’m seeing.
Trump's the victim, they're charging him for improperly accounting for money he paid to a blackmailer. Just like getting a parking ticket for having your car stolen.
The Dems are pushing this case to bait the dumbest elements of the GOP base to nominate Trump again in 2024.
The Dems will indict Trump in many more frivolous cases to increase GOP base outrage and influence them to rally around a martyred Trump.
If Trump is the nominee, the Dems will not fight to remove him off the ballot.
He supercharged Dem turnout and galvanizes their base while alienating center right suburban voters. Dems would love to run against Trump.
The Dems will wait until they win the 2024 election and they will then ensure Trump is convicted in 2025.
Only way Trump avoids spending his last days in prison is if he loses the primary and another GOP nominee narrowly wins against Biden and protects Trump from Dem prosecution.
And putting desantis on the ballot will not fix anything. Take your /r/cons talking point back there. 2020 was a test run to seehow well the mail in ballots and voting machines can be rigged. How else could an election day turn into months? Not to mention the number fuckery that happened overnight.
I agree that abortion is a stupid hill to die on though. But gop is known for sabotaging itself to grift its base for more pity bux.
After the recent Dem win in Wisconsin supreme court it is clear Trump has no path to victory in 2024 and it is clear that it will also be extremely difficult for DeSantis to win 2024. The difference is that DeSantis is not viscerally hated like Trump and regardless of how much the media tries to do so, they can never match the level of hatred Trump invokes in people.
Calling elections rigged constantly demoralizes some of our voters and they don't even bother to vote. This way the Dems just win automatically. We need to stop this self-fulfilling prophecy.
The slim path to victory in 2024 relies on embracing ballot harvesting in swing states, not nominating Trump again and not pushing any abortion bans more restrictive than 15 weeks.
I am not optimistic because a lot of the base is sadly retarded.
Oh you sweet summer child. They'll do the same to ron like they do to trump. The difference neing trump has money to pay lawsuits. And now his got Marty status thanks to the witch hunts.
If you have anyone to blame, blame gop for being limp wristed. They focus on abortion and whatever red herrings, and pretty much ignore important topics, like voter security and putting a lid on the ukraine bailouts.
Voter security is a very strong topic right now as people have absolutely no confidence in the process, well people generally confidence in our justice system as well too.
It'll take something truly drastic for things to change back to normal. Expecting a corrupt government to fix itself is just insanity at this point.
Nor should they. There is no pᴏlitical solution.
And then what? Say DeSantis squeaks out a miraculous win in 2024. The media will wage war on him, he'll be thwarted and hamstrung at every turn, and he'll lose in 2028. And at that point, demographic destiny will have made a republican win fully impossible. Hoping for a Republican win in 2024 is like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Telling people "just vote harder" is actually demoralizing, because it saps away all the righteous anger to actually do something effective.
They call him DeathSantis. They hate him just as much as Trump. They hate everyone on the right as much as they hate Trump.
You're deluding yourself thinking otherwise.
I agree that the only reason this case is being brought is because the left are desperate for Trump to be the 2024 nominee. Not only do they believe that he is eminently more beatable than the alternatives, he's also a huge boost to lefty businesses like journalism and for lefty fundraising. They don't care one bit whether they win any of these cases. Keeping Trump, as opposed to the disastrous results of their crappy policies, front and center in the minds of American voters is what they're really after here.
Not sure about Trump's fate post 2024 if there is a dem win, though. Honestly I think litigation would stop at that point as they just wouldn't care about him anymore in the same way that I don't think the current cases would be brought if he wasn't running now. In any event it appears at the moment that the current case and the other potential ones against him are all so legally weak that he's unlikely to be convicted.
You're mostly right. The dems have gamed this out. They're hoping that this prosecution of Trump outrages his base and gets him the nomination. That's a general election fight they know they can win. PA, AZ, WI, ang GA have all been fortified for democracy. Those states will not vote red in the general election, and that means that there is no electoral path to victory for any Republican candidate. Not ever again. Trump was the last Republican president.
This notion that the elections are rigged in swing states just lowers our turnout and then the Dem candidate just wins automatically.
People like you are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.
We can absolutely have another GOP president. It will be tough to achieve but it can be done.
Trump becoming President on the other hand is actually impossible. He is hated by too many people.
Our retard base needs to stop being demoralized and actually turn out.
Again I ask you, and then what? The door is closing on any chance of electoral victory in future elections. Whether that happens in '24 or '28 isn't really relevant. The system is fully corrupted and cannot be reformed.
While it's probably true that Trump can turn out the republican base better than any other candidate you must weight that against the fact that he also will turn out the democratic base better than any other candidate. Which might be okay if he didn't also turn off the independent voters he must have to win.
Given that, I just don't see how Trump can win in 2024 barring something spectacular happening. The left is very well aware of this and so they badly want him to be the nominee. This litigation is part of their strategy to make that happen as they know that the republican base will rally around Trump in reactionary fashion if they perceive he is being unfairly persecuted.
Trump can't win in 2024. The only reason he won in 2016 is because they didn't cheat enough in key districts. They didn't think they had to. They didn't repeat that mistake in 2020 and they sure as hell won't in 2024.
Donald Trump Jr. literally told MAGA voters to go out and vote for Dan Kelly and you think not having Trump on the ballot was the reason for the loss?
The reason for the loss is that the GOP's position on abortion is electorally toxic to the majority of the electorate and that rural voters and evangelical voters aren't turning out to vote.
Trump on the ballot supercharges Dem turnout more than he turns out rural and evangelical voters. We have seen this happen in 2020. Too many MAGA types like you refuse to face reality. It wasn't just due to election fraud why Trump lost 2020.
The reality of the situation is that Trump is vehemently hated by the majority of the country and that many people who didn't vote for Hillary held their nose and voted for Biden because they absolutely despise Trump.
Wisconsin rural and evangelical voters must be absolute retards if they can't show up for this crucial race even after we had people like Scott Presler telling us the stakes on Bannon's war-room.
Dems can now get rid of voter id and push ballot boxes in Wisconsin.
I constantly hear the die-hard MAGA cultists bitch about election integrity but when the time comes where all they needed to was vote for Kelly they wouldn't do it.
The Trump coalition foolishly traded away reliable suburban GOP voters for brainless rural and evangelical hicks who won't even bother to turn out to vote in any non Presidential election.
I cannot believe that so many people currently on the right are this retarded.
And you voting harder cuckservatives will keep losing playing by rigged rules. You never focus on voting integrity laws. Youre just as bad as tds addled leftist.
You dont gain electoral votes in a presidential race then lose it overnight to an abnormal jump.