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Tony, it really is a matter of public record. The French make a big deal about their resistance, but the vast majority were collaborators. The most prominent collaborators were women.
Coco Chanel, who launched the brand Chanel, was an enthusiastic collaborator. She slept with a Nazi officer and leveraged her vast network of social contacts to help the Nazis play politics. In return her fashion business did very well.
I get that. To me, that's not that hard to believe considering George Soros and many other Jews like George Soros did the exact same thing to Jews during the Holocaust, but understand why you'd want specific evidence for French women specifically snitching in exchange for staying alive, but to be fair to Imp, he's probably assuming that's already covered by the word "collaborators".
So debate the points. You don't get to write off Imp's claim just because he used hyperbole.
France, as a whole collaborated. Many women were notable in that the were keen to collaborate for social position and resources.
Collaboration certainly ran a spectrum, and there were literally war trials after the French liberation to have the worst of them face repercussions for their behavior.
Certainly Coco Chanel was a gleeful collaborator, and she escaped trial because she fled to Switzerland.
I am not going to look up French war trials for you. I am not going to baby-step you through examples to have you complain that they are not good enough.
The Imp is pointing out a trend in female behavior that pre-dates the Romans. Women like winners and are often motivated by hypergamy, even to the extremes of collaborating with enemies.
So debate the points. You don't get to write off Imp's claim just because he used hyperbole.
Falsehood, not hyperbole.
France, as a whole collaborated.
Bullshit.
Collaboration certainly ran a spectrum, and there were literally war trials after the French liberation to have the worst of them face repercussions for their behavior.
There were trials for people who made a very difficult decision to make the best out of a terrible situation. Some of them were odious people, but if you think Marshal Petain was a traitor, you've got quite another thing coming.
The Imp is pointing out a trend in female behavior that pre-dates the Romans. Women like winners and are often motivated by hypergamy, even to the extremes of collaborating with enemies.
You two have an ax to grind. It's not that you're posting calm, objective assessments of human behavior, which will find faults in the behavior of both men and women, it's all just "WOMEN BAD".
I respect women just fine. I certainly don't think they are a universal evil.
But to turn a blind eye to their faults is beyond stupid. I am done making that mistake.
France, as a whole collaborated.
Bullshit.
The Germans could not have occupied France with ten times the troops. If the farmers had just sat down and refused to work, it would have been insurmountable. Even the tiny, tiny French Resistance made a real impact.
The French Police helped to deport French Jews to their deaths.
The Vichy French Authoritarian Government made use of the German Occupation to advance their own political goals and to consolidate power. In the beginning they had popular support.
I am certainly not painting French women in any better light than the French men of the time. However choosing to sleep with and have children with Nazi officers to gain social standing and resources is particularly odious to me. French women are certainly not unique in history in this regard.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6276919/Sleeping-enemy-Fascinating-pictures-Women-Nazi-occupied-Europe.html
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Tony, it really is a matter of public record. The French make a big deal about their resistance, but the vast majority were collaborators. The most prominent collaborators were women.
Coco Chanel, who launched the brand Chanel, was an enthusiastic collaborator. She slept with a Nazi officer and leveraged her vast network of social contacts to help the Nazis play politics. In return her fashion business did very well.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coco-chanel-traitor-nazi-spy-4744650
It is easy to find pictures of French women being marched through the streets for sleeping with Nazis.
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/french-female-collaborator-punished-head-shaved-publicly-mark-1944/
No, shifting the goalposts is not going to work. Here is the claim the the Imp made:
In the first article:
That's probably what he's referencing, in addition to the women like Coco Chanel.
Yes, everyone knows about that. I'm talking about this specific claim by the Imp.
You can't just move the goalposts like that.
I get that. To me, that's not that hard to believe considering George Soros and many other Jews like George Soros did the exact same thing to Jews during the Holocaust, but understand why you'd want specific evidence for French women specifically snitching in exchange for staying alive, but to be fair to Imp, he's probably assuming that's already covered by the word "collaborators".
So debate the points. You don't get to write off Imp's claim just because he used hyperbole.
France, as a whole collaborated. Many women were notable in that the were keen to collaborate for social position and resources.
Collaboration certainly ran a spectrum, and there were literally war trials after the French liberation to have the worst of them face repercussions for their behavior.
Certainly Coco Chanel was a gleeful collaborator, and she escaped trial because she fled to Switzerland.
I am not going to look up French war trials for you. I am not going to baby-step you through examples to have you complain that they are not good enough.
The Imp is pointing out a trend in female behavior that pre-dates the Romans. Women like winners and are often motivated by hypergamy, even to the extremes of collaborating with enemies.
Falsehood, not hyperbole.
Bullshit.
There were trials for people who made a very difficult decision to make the best out of a terrible situation. Some of them were odious people, but if you think Marshal Petain was a traitor, you've got quite another thing coming.
You two have an ax to grind. It's not that you're posting calm, objective assessments of human behavior, which will find faults in the behavior of both men and women, it's all just "WOMEN BAD".
I've been very patient with you Tony.
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I respect women just fine. I certainly don't think they are a universal evil.
But to turn a blind eye to their faults is beyond stupid. I am done making that mistake.
The Germans could not have occupied France with ten times the troops. If the farmers had just sat down and refused to work, it would have been insurmountable. Even the tiny, tiny French Resistance made a real impact.
The French Police helped to deport French Jews to their deaths.
Is the Smithsonian a good enough source for you?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/vichy-government-france-world-war-ii-willingly-collaborated-nazis-180967160/
The Vichy French Authoritarian Government made use of the German Occupation to advance their own political goals and to consolidate power. In the beginning they had popular support.
I am certainly not painting French women in any better light than the French men of the time. However choosing to sleep with and have children with Nazi officers to gain social standing and resources is particularly odious to me. French women are certainly not unique in history in this regard.