A long history of Mostly Peaceful Protests
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Kinda wish they had busted out the grapeshot like that old meme.
> TALLY HO, LADS!
Among the craziest wiki articles I’ve ever found. There’s a lot there:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Draft_Riots_of_1863
And at least for me, this is why I dont get the likes of Razor using it as an example of "Lincoln bad". When you have plenty of better examples of Lincoln being a tyrant, perhaps dont use the one where sending in the Army to crush it was probably the best possible response due to the level of violence involved.
TBH, the more nuanced conversation around American history isn’t really my strong suit, who’s Razor in this case?
Ah, I thought you would have been familiar. It is a youtuber with the handle known as Razorfist. Metalhead and also very libertarian conservative minded. I specifically was referencing a recent video he did laying out his personal case on Lincoln being a tyrant and dictator, and the New York Draft Riots was one of the instances he used. Specifically saying that Lincoln "murdered civilians" by using the US Army, many of whom had been pulled from the front just having fought Gettysburg.
Like I said. Fairly weak argument considering just how out of control and deadly the riots were.
Ah interesting thanks, I had never actually heard of that guy.
I’ve heard the “tyrant” argument - on its face it makes some good points, but like you point out, with context much of the strength of the argument is eroded (imo atleast). Wartime by definition involves a change of societal norms/laws sometimes (hence “War Measures Acts” being enacted by every country at war since legal systems were invented, seemingly, lol).
Even that article specifically with regards to sending military forces to deal with civilians has a lot of important context: the state police had been deployed to Gettysburg (leaving only the metropolitan police who were totally and immediately overwhelmed), and the “soldiers” deployed were members of the 1st Battalion Invalid Corps, troops who had been disabled or injured on the front lines but still wished to/could serve in some capacity
Cheers thanks for the link to the guy though, does he have any videos you’d recommend?
Yeah. I know there is a lot of debate around the nature of the Civil War happening, and some people starting to take a position of being more sympathetic to the South. But I have seen what the South wanted as well and actually looked at their political nature outside of the war, and its not like they were any better than the North. In many ways, they were worse (effectively wanting to recreate Feudal Europe with American characteristics).
To that end, I still take the old attitude to the Civil War that existed before it was made into a political cudgel to beat the South with in 2016ish: It was a war of brother against brother, we did horrible things to each other, but when everything was said in done and, the smoke cleared, and the scars healed, the Union victory allowed for the creation of a more perfect union, and the South was allowed to be folded back into the nation. So perhaps it is best to stop picking at the scab because you have a political grudge.
But then again, I can never bring myself to fully side with the South even if I respect their military (like Lee). Because my state was on the receiving end of Southern aggression and reprisals because we had the audacity to fight back when they tried to force us into being slave owners against our will.
Probably the big one he got semi-famous for is Hollywood was always Red, which is him going into a deep dive about how Hollywood was a communist control tool pretty much since it's founding and the moments where it was pro-US (like the 80's) was generally the exception. Its just that now everyone is finally seeing it with their own eyes. He also goes on a bit of a tangent about how McCarthy is unfairly slandered and its largely the work of, you guessed it, Hollywood.
Did you know the South was being financed by European bankers to collapse the US and allow it to be recolonized?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BrKf9nYeXT0
Lincoln’s Greenback was a fuck you to these foreign manipulators. Then he got jfk’d (or I suppose jfk got Lincoln’d).
So even if I can sympathize with some aspects of the (broader population of the) South’s motivations, I still see (like you point out) the overarching validity of the “pointless brother war” notion
This is all the more reason homeowners and business owners should have access to GAU-8 Avenger autocannon for defence
As what's the better defence against a mob in the street than removing the entire street lol
I should say that a protest is implicitly a threat of violence. The purpose of protest is to physically manifest a representation of the number of people angry about a thing, with the intent of planting the idea in the minds of the audience "There are enough people angry about [thing] to cause real destruction if they turn violent. Do not provoke them."
That threat, however, only rings true if there are not recreational protestors, unwilling to suffer injury for their participation. The recent policies of non-intervention in protest-concurrent looting and casual property damage have decreased somewhat the value of protests, because the audience understands that a significant percentage of participants are actually just there for a new pair of Jordans.
Why are you sharing a story about men resisting the draft?
read the article, there are so many hilarious nuggets in there. The one I screencap’d is just the crème de la crème