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– SoctaticMethod1 26 points 3 years ago +26 / -0

I mean yeah? This was as obvious as the 'obviously right wing' protests in DC with all of them with the same haircut, style, shades and build...

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– SoctaticMethod1 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Eh true, I mean how long did it take them to admit they knew pearl harbour would happen in advance and they still haven't admitted the CIA killed JFK..

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

They didn't know about Pearl Harbor in advance though. They had cracked the diplomatic code, which only made clear that something was going to happen.

Incompetence? Yes. Cui bono? Roosevelt. But did they know it beforehand? No.

As for the CIA killing JFK, it's not impossible, but the amount of evidence is not sufficient to make that conclusion. I'd say it's more likely that they are hiding the evidence for more ordinary reasons, like the fact that they just like to classify everything and don't want to be accountable to anyone. But that's just me.

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– SoctaticMethod1 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

It's one of those things I don't trust the government on, as we are talking about a war where the British used a dead body to trick the German's on a fake invasion route.

As for JFK, I think the fact the Soviets were panicking around even asking their intelligence service 'this wasn't us right?' To which their response was 'we know the shooter, but too unstable to use so avoided him' makes me think the CIA knew he had brief contact and thought 2 birds, 1 stone as JFK was a thorn in their side.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

They didn't know about Pearl Harbor in advance though. They had cracked the diplomatic code, which only made clear that something was going to happen.

They knew, and if they didn't know, they were being wildly irresponsible.

FDR had been trying to provoke the Axis into getting into a war with the US for years. He started with Germany, intentionally violating war zones, and transporting military equipment; BUT the Germans saw that shit coming because Wilson used the Lusitania to get into WW1. (The Lusitania was also carrying weapons and violating a war zone restriction).

Not to mention, that FDR had ordered a US military ship to aggressively shadow and harass a IJN military ship until she was fired upon. The casualties were low, so that too wasn't enough to provoke the general public into a war effort, because the anti-war sentiment in the US was genuinely very strong.

Anyone who understood Japan knew full well that a war with the US was inevitable, and the Japanese certainly knew that they couldn't operate the way they were in the Pacific without provoking a war with the US. Hence why they chose a pre-emptive strike. They knew that they had no capacity to match the US's economic or military capability once it got going, and their only chance was a devastating first strike.

So one of the most heavily armed fleets Japan had ever set to anchor was assembling in Hittokapu Bay. The Americans had photographs of the fleet, it's composition, it's size, and then one day... poof! ... It was gone. All those carriers, and the US simply waited for it to re-appear. Didn't appear in China. Didn't appear in Guam. Didn't appear in Korea. Didn't appear in Indonesia. Didn't appear in Australia.

Gee? Now, where would one of the most heavily armed Japanese Strike Forces ever assembled have disappeared to all at once? If they can't be spotted after a few weeks, they must be in the "invisible ocean" where there's no land to launch patrol flights. But that's in the northern pacific! Japan's not at war with anybody out there! Why, the only thing within reach of that fleet would be the US base at Pearl Harbor where the entire Pacific Fleet is sitting idle and at anchor with relatively no protection, including our entire compliment of battleships and aircraft carri....

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It's like saying, "this man with a gun and the balaclava isn't here to rob the bank, clearly he's just a 2nd Amendment advocate!"

Either the Roosevelt administration was criminally negligent to the point of needing to face criminal prosecution for the intelligence and military failures at Pearl Harbor (thank God for rare Japanese incompetence and stunning American luck, otherwise they might have actually had a chance at winning); or FDR knew about the attack and decided to just take it on the chin, assuming he wouldn't loose the entire pacific fleet, or that someone would have intercepted it on time. Wrong: again, in the 2nd bloodiest day in American history, we actually rolled 3 Natural 20's, and the Japs rolled a Natural 1.

As for JFK? Oswold shot him, that's actually super clear. LBJ just exploited the murder and turned it into a coup. There's a reason the biggest proponents of the JFK Assassination conspiracy theory are all former members of the Kennedy administration. When you read about what happened after the president died, it certainly looks like a coup. The focus on the shooting itself is actually classic deflection. Everyone's digging their heels into the initial crime scene, and not talking about the fucking fist fights that broke out in the White House when the VP staffers literally started throwing people out and taking their security clearances.

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