It's true, though. If you look up the prominent "neocons", it's these guys: "Prominent neoconservatives in the George W. Bush administration included Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Richard Perle and Paul Bremer."
That conveniently ignores Rumsfeld and Cheney. But alright.
If you look at Bremer's wiki page
Dude, cut that out.
When there is an ideological group that is overwhelmingly jews, I'm not going to be afraid to call that out because I'm worried about being labelled antisemetic. Public discourse ought to be based on truth, and when jewish intellectuals dominate a certain group, it's 100% okay to point that out and question whether that group is aligned with the interests of the United States primarily, or with Israel.
Not sure why there should be questions about whether someone's interests align with Israel simply because they are Jewish.
Like he spent probably half an hour recently just ranting about Ilhan Omar, who isn't really more antisemetic than pretty much any other Muslim
Much less so, in fact.
I was raised as an American being taught that tribalism is bad and that America is a "melting pot" where we all join together as Americans, blind to race and religion.
It seems less like that now than ever, unfortunately, because I do regard it as a nice ideal.
The people on the fringe ends of the bell curve of politics have basically no impact because nobody listens to them (unless they become actual terrorists or something) and they tend to hate the highly effective and less fringe mainstream types who are actually moving the ball for the Right. Actually the Democrats have done a phenomenal job of using the Right's fringe as a weapon against the Right, so these fringe types actually help the Left more than anything.
I've never figured it out. If you completely purge the fringes, then they will just pretend that you are the fringe. So my attitude is: I like it if there are visible Stormfags, because while they will try to smear you with their views, it also sets you apart rather clearly from them.
Not sure why there should be questions about whether someone's interests align with Israel simply because they are Jewish.
Because Israel is a jewish ethnostate. Not all jews actually support Israel, in particularly the atheistic jews, but the "neocon" ones did: "Wolfowitz demonstrated himself to be one of the strongest supporters of Israel in the Reagan administration."
It seems less like that now than ever, unfortunately, because I do regard it as a nice ideal.
Yes, because the liberal attitude towards assimilation is that it means "cultural genocide by Hwhite people". Liberals want to divide us and have everyone who isn't a straight white male, gang up on and tear down straight white males. Part of that is a huge push to attack and demean whiteness. The liberals also hate America, and traditional American values (if you ask a lib about American history, they think it was nothing but slavery and jim crow) and they associate everything they hate with whiteness.
I've never figured it out. If you completely purge the fringes, then they will just pretend that you are the fringe.
They'll try, but they will fail. It's a lot harder for the lib media to attack DeSantis than Trump, because truth and reality aren't on their side. Sure, they'll try, but they'll fail. The more you allow fringe types to be in your group, the more you embrace a weakness that can be exploited by your enemies. So you do need to disown and ostracize the extremists.
However, we have a whole war being waged over the Overton Window now, and the Right is losing. So to some extent we need to dig in and say "this is not extremism, this is within the acceptable range of discourse" about a much broader range of views than what is allowed now.
Because Israel is a jewish ethnostate. Not all jews actually support Israel, in particularly the atheistic jews, but the "neocon" ones did: "Wolfowitz demonstrated himself to be one of the strongest supporters of Israel in the Reagan administration."
It isn't. Israel has Arabs, white Jews, brown Jews and even black ones.
And Wolfowitz supporting Israel does not exactly make him an exception in the US, where nearly everyone does.
They'll try, but they will fail. It's a lot harder for the lib media to attack DeSantis than Trump, because truth and reality aren't on their side.
Truth and reality matter nothing though. You can persuade people of literally anything.
The more you allow fringe types to be in your group, the more you embrace a weakness that can be exploited by your enemies. So you do need to disown and ostracize the extremists.
Disown, yes. But it's good that they are there. If you are the farthest right in the GOP, they will call you a far-right fascist racist. However, if there are Stormfags, then you will always look good in comparison. They extend the Overton Window.
So to some extent we need to dig in and say "this is not extremism, this is within the acceptable range of discourse" about a much broader range of views than what is allowed now.
That does not work though. Salami-slicing will prevail over that.
It isn't. Israel has Arabs, white Jews, brown Jews and even black ones.
The jews like to say that, but the jews are 100% in control of the Israeli state, just like the Han Chinese are 100% in control of Communist China. Sure, both countries have minorities, and in Israel, those minorities actually have equal rights, they just don't have any power to decide policy, and policy is explicitly oriented towards providing a home for the jewish people. The jews would never allow the Palestinians to be absorbed into Israel for example, because this would dilute their power and control. It would threaten their ethnostate and the jewish supremacy in Israel.
To be fair, Israel is certainly the nicest ethnostate out there. I'm sure in general the Arab minority in Israel feel like they have equal rights. The Palestinians? Not so much.
And Wolfowitz supporting Israel does not exactly make him an exception in the US, where nearly everyone does.
Most republicans support Israel, but wouldn't put Israel ahead of the US. Wolfowitz would. The simple fact of the matter is that many jews put their jewish identity above their American identity, which causes divided loyalties since the Israeli ethnostate embodies their jewish identity. The US gives Israel $3 billion per year for no good reason, just because of politicians pandering to the jewish lobby in the US. The same is true of the US dropping a billion on Israel to foot the bill for their Iron Dome missiles even though the US has nothing to do with it. Why was it done? To pander to the jews here in America.
Truth and reality matter nothing though. You can persuade people of literally anything.
Hard disagree. There are myriad examples of authoritarian states failing to do so despite rigging everything in their favor. The fact that CCP China was recently FORCED to back down from its strict COVID policies thanks to widespread protest, when the whole state apparatus of the CCP was designed to win exactly that kind of battle against their own people, shows that there are limits that even the most resource-rich and devoted authoritarians cannot overcome.
Putin is similarly limited. If he wasn't, he would have declared a full mobilization in March 2022, and he would have called the Ukraine invasion a war and not a "special operation". Putin couldn't just do as he pleased, he had to operate within limits that fundamentally trace back to people not being persuaded.
However, if there are Stormfags, then you will always look good in comparison. They extend the Overton Window.
I disagree on that point, because the libs are very good at using people like stormfags to collapse, not extend, the overton window. The trick they use is to lie and cast a much broader group than the stormfags, as stormfags. You see them doing this every day. That's why every republican to the right of mitt romney is an "ultra maga".
They are somewhat successful in this. And their success is directly predicated on the fact that the Right doesn't shun the stormfags enough, for example.
Dishonest propaganda tactics sometimes work. You need to examine why they are working and counter-move to undermine their success. The correct counter-move here is to cut off and shun groups which large majorities of the public find to be so offensive as to be intolerable, like stormfags.
Now of COURSE the libs will ATTEMPT to attack you if you're on the right edge of the Overton window. So what? It's not inevitable that you will lose that fight. If properly positioned, you will win that fight and the libs will fail to move the window. I think it's foolish on the Right to presume that the libs will always win over time, and that the march leftward is inevitable. It's not.
The jews like to say that, but the jews are 100% in control of the Israeli state, just like the Han Chinese are 100% in control of Communist China.
The last government literally had an Arab party backing it. Not sure how you determine percentage control over a state.
But yeah, Jews should control the Israeli state, like the French should control the French state. Not exactly rocket science.
they just don't have any power to decide policy
So it's like 99% of the population in Europe and America.
To be fair, Israel is certainly the nicest ethnostate out there. I'm sure in general the Arab minority in Israel feel like they have equal rights. The Palestinians? Not so much.
LOL. I'm wondering whether your ethnic origins may be similar to mine, esp. considering the Orthodox thing. Because one never hears American right-wingers talk about 'Palestinians', unless they are anti-Semites (which I don't think you are, you just rightly don't care about sounding like one).
Most republicans support Israel, but wouldn't put Israel ahead of the US. Wolfowitz would.
100% of Republicans don't give a damn about either the US or Israel, but only about themselves, their pockets, their PR and status. Same is true of Wolfowitz.
And I don't know how you quantify who Wolfowitz puts first.
The US gives Israel $3 billion per year for no good reason, just because of politicians pandering to the jewish lobby in the US.
And I assume that the billions Egypt receives to pad the profits of the arms manufacturers is because of pandering to the almighty Egyptian lobby?
The fact that CCP China was recently FORCED to back down from its strict COVID policies thanks to widespread protest
That is not a belief that is without costs. But "transwomen are women" is for most people. Which is why American propaganda is so effective. Probably the greatest propagandists on the earth. "Authoritarian states" are amateur hour when it comes to propaganda. They have to block alternatives using hard power rather than doing it through corporations. The Americans, they don't need to censor stuff, because they control the propaganda apparatus anyway. CNN, MSNBC, etc. all employ spooks/war criminals/FBI agents, and it shows.
Persuade people that they have a 'free press', and they'll be more gullible than a child.
Putin is similarly limited. If he wasn't, he would have declared a full mobilization in March 2022, and he would have called the Ukraine invasion a war and not a "special operation". Putin couldn't just do as he pleased, he had to operate within limits that fundamentally trace back to people not being persuaded.
You keep claiming that he is a 'dictator'. So he isn't, and Russia is an oligarchy like the US. Though here as well, I'd say that the problem is not "the people" (who don't matter anywhere, and especially in the US), but the elites. In this particular case, it seems that Putin and the Kremlins are being delusional, because I can't imagine the elites are terribly happy with not taking the war seriously.
I disagree on that point, because the libs are very good at using people like stormfags to collapse, not extend, the overton window. The trick they use is to lie and cast a much broader group than the stormfags, as stormfags. You see them doing this every day. That's why every republican to the right of mitt romney is an "ultra maga".
They try. But Mitt Romney was the "ultra maga" equivalent in 2012. Now he is a squishy moderate. Why? Donald J. Trump. DeSantis would not have stood a chance if Trump had not cleared the way and extended the Overton Window. That is also why I think MTG and others are valuable. It allows anyone who is not MTG to pose as a moderate.
Dishonest propaganda tactics sometimes work. You need to examine why they are working and counter-move to undermine their success. The correct counter-move here is to cut off and shun groups which large majorities of the public find to be so offensive as to be intolerable, like stormfags.
Shunning, yes. At least to some extent. They should not be allowed to take over a platform. But I see no harm in a few heavily downvoted Stormfags at the bottom of the page. And the fact that they have a voice. The mere fact that they call Republicans leftists makes Republicans look more moderate.
Now of COURSE the libs will ATTEMPT to attack you if you're on the right edge of the Overton window. So what? It's not inevitable that you will lose that fight. If properly positioned, you will win that fight and the libs will fail to move the window. I think it's foolish on the Right to presume that the libs will always win over time, and that the march leftward is inevitable. It's not.
So what? It will likely work. Because you are literally on the far-right if there's no one further right than you. I'd like to point to 20 more gradiants to your right. See? I'm the moderate.
That conveniently ignores Rumsfeld and Cheney. But alright.
Dude, cut that out.
Not sure why there should be questions about whether someone's interests align with Israel simply because they are Jewish.
Much less so, in fact.
It seems less like that now than ever, unfortunately, because I do regard it as a nice ideal.
I've never figured it out. If you completely purge the fringes, then they will just pretend that you are the fringe. So my attitude is: I like it if there are visible Stormfags, because while they will try to smear you with their views, it also sets you apart rather clearly from them.
Because Israel is a jewish ethnostate. Not all jews actually support Israel, in particularly the atheistic jews, but the "neocon" ones did: "Wolfowitz demonstrated himself to be one of the strongest supporters of Israel in the Reagan administration."
Yes, because the liberal attitude towards assimilation is that it means "cultural genocide by Hwhite people". Liberals want to divide us and have everyone who isn't a straight white male, gang up on and tear down straight white males. Part of that is a huge push to attack and demean whiteness. The liberals also hate America, and traditional American values (if you ask a lib about American history, they think it was nothing but slavery and jim crow) and they associate everything they hate with whiteness.
They'll try, but they will fail. It's a lot harder for the lib media to attack DeSantis than Trump, because truth and reality aren't on their side. Sure, they'll try, but they'll fail. The more you allow fringe types to be in your group, the more you embrace a weakness that can be exploited by your enemies. So you do need to disown and ostracize the extremists.
However, we have a whole war being waged over the Overton Window now, and the Right is losing. So to some extent we need to dig in and say "this is not extremism, this is within the acceptable range of discourse" about a much broader range of views than what is allowed now.
It isn't. Israel has Arabs, white Jews, brown Jews and even black ones.
And Wolfowitz supporting Israel does not exactly make him an exception in the US, where nearly everyone does.
Truth and reality matter nothing though. You can persuade people of literally anything.
Disown, yes. But it's good that they are there. If you are the farthest right in the GOP, they will call you a far-right fascist racist. However, if there are Stormfags, then you will always look good in comparison. They extend the Overton Window.
That does not work though. Salami-slicing will prevail over that.
The jews like to say that, but the jews are 100% in control of the Israeli state, just like the Han Chinese are 100% in control of Communist China. Sure, both countries have minorities, and in Israel, those minorities actually have equal rights, they just don't have any power to decide policy, and policy is explicitly oriented towards providing a home for the jewish people. The jews would never allow the Palestinians to be absorbed into Israel for example, because this would dilute their power and control. It would threaten their ethnostate and the jewish supremacy in Israel.
To be fair, Israel is certainly the nicest ethnostate out there. I'm sure in general the Arab minority in Israel feel like they have equal rights. The Palestinians? Not so much.
Most republicans support Israel, but wouldn't put Israel ahead of the US. Wolfowitz would. The simple fact of the matter is that many jews put their jewish identity above their American identity, which causes divided loyalties since the Israeli ethnostate embodies their jewish identity. The US gives Israel $3 billion per year for no good reason, just because of politicians pandering to the jewish lobby in the US. The same is true of the US dropping a billion on Israel to foot the bill for their Iron Dome missiles even though the US has nothing to do with it. Why was it done? To pander to the jews here in America.
Hard disagree. There are myriad examples of authoritarian states failing to do so despite rigging everything in their favor. The fact that CCP China was recently FORCED to back down from its strict COVID policies thanks to widespread protest, when the whole state apparatus of the CCP was designed to win exactly that kind of battle against their own people, shows that there are limits that even the most resource-rich and devoted authoritarians cannot overcome.
Putin is similarly limited. If he wasn't, he would have declared a full mobilization in March 2022, and he would have called the Ukraine invasion a war and not a "special operation". Putin couldn't just do as he pleased, he had to operate within limits that fundamentally trace back to people not being persuaded.
I disagree on that point, because the libs are very good at using people like stormfags to collapse, not extend, the overton window. The trick they use is to lie and cast a much broader group than the stormfags, as stormfags. You see them doing this every day. That's why every republican to the right of mitt romney is an "ultra maga".
They are somewhat successful in this. And their success is directly predicated on the fact that the Right doesn't shun the stormfags enough, for example.
Dishonest propaganda tactics sometimes work. You need to examine why they are working and counter-move to undermine their success. The correct counter-move here is to cut off and shun groups which large majorities of the public find to be so offensive as to be intolerable, like stormfags.
Now of COURSE the libs will ATTEMPT to attack you if you're on the right edge of the Overton window. So what? It's not inevitable that you will lose that fight. If properly positioned, you will win that fight and the libs will fail to move the window. I think it's foolish on the Right to presume that the libs will always win over time, and that the march leftward is inevitable. It's not.
The last government literally had an Arab party backing it. Not sure how you determine percentage control over a state.
But yeah, Jews should control the Israeli state, like the French should control the French state. Not exactly rocket science.
So it's like 99% of the population in Europe and America.
LOL. I'm wondering whether your ethnic origins may be similar to mine, esp. considering the Orthodox thing. Because one never hears American right-wingers talk about 'Palestinians', unless they are anti-Semites (which I don't think you are, you just rightly don't care about sounding like one).
100% of Republicans don't give a damn about either the US or Israel, but only about themselves, their pockets, their PR and status. Same is true of Wolfowitz.
And I don't know how you quantify who Wolfowitz puts first.
And I assume that the billions Egypt receives to pad the profits of the arms manufacturers is because of pandering to the almighty Egyptian lobby?
That is not a belief that is without costs. But "transwomen are women" is for most people. Which is why American propaganda is so effective. Probably the greatest propagandists on the earth. "Authoritarian states" are amateur hour when it comes to propaganda. They have to block alternatives using hard power rather than doing it through corporations. The Americans, they don't need to censor stuff, because they control the propaganda apparatus anyway. CNN, MSNBC, etc. all employ spooks/war criminals/FBI agents, and it shows.
Persuade people that they have a 'free press', and they'll be more gullible than a child.
You keep claiming that he is a 'dictator'. So he isn't, and Russia is an oligarchy like the US. Though here as well, I'd say that the problem is not "the people" (who don't matter anywhere, and especially in the US), but the elites. In this particular case, it seems that Putin and the Kremlins are being delusional, because I can't imagine the elites are terribly happy with not taking the war seriously.
They try. But Mitt Romney was the "ultra maga" equivalent in 2012. Now he is a squishy moderate. Why? Donald J. Trump. DeSantis would not have stood a chance if Trump had not cleared the way and extended the Overton Window. That is also why I think MTG and others are valuable. It allows anyone who is not MTG to pose as a moderate.
Shunning, yes. At least to some extent. They should not be allowed to take over a platform. But I see no harm in a few heavily downvoted Stormfags at the bottom of the page. And the fact that they have a voice. The mere fact that they call Republicans leftists makes Republicans look more moderate.
So what? It will likely work. Because you are literally on the far-right if there's no one further right than you. I'd like to point to 20 more gradiants to your right. See? I'm the moderate.