Not sure why there should be questions about whether someone's interests align with Israel simply because they are Jewish.
Because Israel is a jewish ethnostate. Not all jews actually support Israel, in particularly the atheistic jews, but the "neocon" ones did: "Wolfowitz demonstrated himself to be one of the strongest supporters of Israel in the Reagan administration."
It seems less like that now than ever, unfortunately, because I do regard it as a nice ideal.
Yes, because the liberal attitude towards assimilation is that it means "cultural genocide by Hwhite people". Liberals want to divide us and have everyone who isn't a straight white male, gang up on and tear down straight white males. Part of that is a huge push to attack and demean whiteness. The liberals also hate America, and traditional American values (if you ask a lib about American history, they think it was nothing but slavery and jim crow) and they associate everything they hate with whiteness.
I've never figured it out. If you completely purge the fringes, then they will just pretend that you are the fringe.
They'll try, but they will fail. It's a lot harder for the lib media to attack DeSantis than Trump, because truth and reality aren't on their side. Sure, they'll try, but they'll fail. The more you allow fringe types to be in your group, the more you embrace a weakness that can be exploited by your enemies. So you do need to disown and ostracize the extremists.
However, we have a whole war being waged over the Overton Window now, and the Right is losing. So to some extent we need to dig in and say "this is not extremism, this is within the acceptable range of discourse" about a much broader range of views than what is allowed now.
Because Israel is a jewish ethnostate. Not all jews actually support Israel, in particularly the atheistic jews, but the "neocon" ones did: "Wolfowitz demonstrated himself to be one of the strongest supporters of Israel in the Reagan administration."
It isn't. Israel has Arabs, white Jews, brown Jews and even black ones.
And Wolfowitz supporting Israel does not exactly make him an exception in the US, where nearly everyone does.
They'll try, but they will fail. It's a lot harder for the lib media to attack DeSantis than Trump, because truth and reality aren't on their side.
Truth and reality matter nothing though. You can persuade people of literally anything.
The more you allow fringe types to be in your group, the more you embrace a weakness that can be exploited by your enemies. So you do need to disown and ostracize the extremists.
Disown, yes. But it's good that they are there. If you are the farthest right in the GOP, they will call you a far-right fascist racist. However, if there are Stormfags, then you will always look good in comparison. They extend the Overton Window.
So to some extent we need to dig in and say "this is not extremism, this is within the acceptable range of discourse" about a much broader range of views than what is allowed now.
That does not work though. Salami-slicing will prevail over that.
It isn't. Israel has Arabs, white Jews, brown Jews and even black ones.
The jews like to say that, but the jews are 100% in control of the Israeli state, just like the Han Chinese are 100% in control of Communist China. Sure, both countries have minorities, and in Israel, those minorities actually have equal rights, they just don't have any power to decide policy, and policy is explicitly oriented towards providing a home for the jewish people. The jews would never allow the Palestinians to be absorbed into Israel for example, because this would dilute their power and control. It would threaten their ethnostate and the jewish supremacy in Israel.
To be fair, Israel is certainly the nicest ethnostate out there. I'm sure in general the Arab minority in Israel feel like they have equal rights. The Palestinians? Not so much.
And Wolfowitz supporting Israel does not exactly make him an exception in the US, where nearly everyone does.
Most republicans support Israel, but wouldn't put Israel ahead of the US. Wolfowitz would. The simple fact of the matter is that many jews put their jewish identity above their American identity, which causes divided loyalties since the Israeli ethnostate embodies their jewish identity. The US gives Israel $3 billion per year for no good reason, just because of politicians pandering to the jewish lobby in the US. The same is true of the US dropping a billion on Israel to foot the bill for their Iron Dome missiles even though the US has nothing to do with it. Why was it done? To pander to the jews here in America.
Truth and reality matter nothing though. You can persuade people of literally anything.
Hard disagree. There are myriad examples of authoritarian states failing to do so despite rigging everything in their favor. The fact that CCP China was recently FORCED to back down from its strict COVID policies thanks to widespread protest, when the whole state apparatus of the CCP was designed to win exactly that kind of battle against their own people, shows that there are limits that even the most resource-rich and devoted authoritarians cannot overcome.
Putin is similarly limited. If he wasn't, he would have declared a full mobilization in March 2022, and he would have called the Ukraine invasion a war and not a "special operation". Putin couldn't just do as he pleased, he had to operate within limits that fundamentally trace back to people not being persuaded.
However, if there are Stormfags, then you will always look good in comparison. They extend the Overton Window.
I disagree on that point, because the libs are very good at using people like stormfags to collapse, not extend, the overton window. The trick they use is to lie and cast a much broader group than the stormfags, as stormfags. You see them doing this every day. That's why every republican to the right of mitt romney is an "ultra maga".
They are somewhat successful in this. And their success is directly predicated on the fact that the Right doesn't shun the stormfags enough, for example.
Dishonest propaganda tactics sometimes work. You need to examine why they are working and counter-move to undermine their success. The correct counter-move here is to cut off and shun groups which large majorities of the public find to be so offensive as to be intolerable, like stormfags.
Now of COURSE the libs will ATTEMPT to attack you if you're on the right edge of the Overton window. So what? It's not inevitable that you will lose that fight. If properly positioned, you will win that fight and the libs will fail to move the window. I think it's foolish on the Right to presume that the libs will always win over time, and that the march leftward is inevitable. It's not.
The jews like to say that, but the jews are 100% in control of the Israeli state, just like the Han Chinese are 100% in control of Communist China.
The last government literally had an Arab party backing it. Not sure how you determine percentage control over a state.
But yeah, Jews should control the Israeli state, like the French should control the French state. Not exactly rocket science.
they just don't have any power to decide policy
So it's like 99% of the population in Europe and America.
To be fair, Israel is certainly the nicest ethnostate out there. I'm sure in general the Arab minority in Israel feel like they have equal rights. The Palestinians? Not so much.
LOL. I'm wondering whether your ethnic origins may be similar to mine, esp. considering the Orthodox thing. Because one never hears American right-wingers talk about 'Palestinians', unless they are anti-Semites (which I don't think you are, you just rightly don't care about sounding like one).
Most republicans support Israel, but wouldn't put Israel ahead of the US. Wolfowitz would.
100% of Republicans don't give a damn about either the US or Israel, but only about themselves, their pockets, their PR and status. Same is true of Wolfowitz.
And I don't know how you quantify who Wolfowitz puts first.
The US gives Israel $3 billion per year for no good reason, just because of politicians pandering to the jewish lobby in the US.
And I assume that the billions Egypt receives to pad the profits of the arms manufacturers is because of pandering to the almighty Egyptian lobby?
The fact that CCP China was recently FORCED to back down from its strict COVID policies thanks to widespread protest
That is not a belief that is without costs. But "transwomen are women" is for most people. Which is why American propaganda is so effective. Probably the greatest propagandists on the earth. "Authoritarian states" are amateur hour when it comes to propaganda. They have to block alternatives using hard power rather than doing it through corporations. The Americans, they don't need to censor stuff, because they control the propaganda apparatus anyway. CNN, MSNBC, etc. all employ spooks/war criminals/FBI agents, and it shows.
Persuade people that they have a 'free press', and they'll be more gullible than a child.
Putin is similarly limited. If he wasn't, he would have declared a full mobilization in March 2022, and he would have called the Ukraine invasion a war and not a "special operation". Putin couldn't just do as he pleased, he had to operate within limits that fundamentally trace back to people not being persuaded.
You keep claiming that he is a 'dictator'. So he isn't, and Russia is an oligarchy like the US. Though here as well, I'd say that the problem is not "the people" (who don't matter anywhere, and especially in the US), but the elites. In this particular case, it seems that Putin and the Kremlins are being delusional, because I can't imagine the elites are terribly happy with not taking the war seriously.
I disagree on that point, because the libs are very good at using people like stormfags to collapse, not extend, the overton window. The trick they use is to lie and cast a much broader group than the stormfags, as stormfags. You see them doing this every day. That's why every republican to the right of mitt romney is an "ultra maga".
They try. But Mitt Romney was the "ultra maga" equivalent in 2012. Now he is a squishy moderate. Why? Donald J. Trump. DeSantis would not have stood a chance if Trump had not cleared the way and extended the Overton Window. That is also why I think MTG and others are valuable. It allows anyone who is not MTG to pose as a moderate.
Dishonest propaganda tactics sometimes work. You need to examine why they are working and counter-move to undermine their success. The correct counter-move here is to cut off and shun groups which large majorities of the public find to be so offensive as to be intolerable, like stormfags.
Shunning, yes. At least to some extent. They should not be allowed to take over a platform. But I see no harm in a few heavily downvoted Stormfags at the bottom of the page. And the fact that they have a voice. The mere fact that they call Republicans leftists makes Republicans look more moderate.
Now of COURSE the libs will ATTEMPT to attack you if you're on the right edge of the Overton window. So what? It's not inevitable that you will lose that fight. If properly positioned, you will win that fight and the libs will fail to move the window. I think it's foolish on the Right to presume that the libs will always win over time, and that the march leftward is inevitable. It's not.
So what? It will likely work. Because you are literally on the far-right if there's no one further right than you. I'd like to point to 20 more gradiants to your right. See? I'm the moderate.
The last government literally had an Arab party backing it. Not sure how you determine percentage control over a state.
You only need to own 51% shares of a corporation to have 100% control. Jews make up 77% of voters, Arabs 17%. Jews have total control of Israel's government. If there was ever an issue where Arab and Jew goals diverged, the Jews would get their way 100% of the time.
But yeah, Jews should control the Israeli state, like the French should control the French state.
Cool then don't argue about it. France can be an ethnostate, too. It's not because whites, especially white europeans, are suicidal as a race thanks to leftist politics teaching them to hate their own whiteness and blocking them from having a white identity.
I'm a big fan of Japan. The Japanese keep Japan as the homeland for the Yamato race. They highly restrict immigration so as not to dilute their national character. The United States would be a far, far better place if it stayed white, didn't import blacks for slavery, and didn't allow hispanics to flood in en masse. Limited, restricted, merit-based immigration is fine. Asian immigrants to the US have been a great success because of their limited numbers and high quality.
LOL. I'm wondering whether your ethnic origins may be similar to mine, esp. considering the Orthodox thing. Because one never hears American right-wingers talk about 'Palestinians', unless they are anti-Semites (which I don't think you are, you just rightly don't care about sounding like one).
You're correct that I'm not antisemitic but I also do not want to bow down to fear of "da joos" coming to get me like Kanye. Half of my family is from central/eastern europe hence the Orthodox thing.
AFAIK every American calls them Palestinians. What else would we call them? Even Ben Shapiro calls them that, whenever he isn't calling them terrorists. I generally support Israel against the Palestinians, but that doesn't mean I can't also say the Palestinians have legitimate grievances that they act upon in a foolish and self-defeating way. If Palestinians were more like Ghandi or MLK, they would actually have a lot more power and Israel would be forced to bown down to them. It just isn't as SATISFYING for an angry, bitter person to attain victory through manipulation, they want to rip out the hearts of their enemies and obtain power by force. Well... Israel has been winning at that game for 50 years, and expertly exploits sympathy from it, leading to people like me being totally okay with Israel's other policies, some of which might be objectionable in isolation.
100% of Republicans don't give a damn about either the US or Israel, but only about themselves, their pockets, their PR and status.
Not true at all. Republicans care very much for American ideals and traditional values. They live by a Code, and aren't the naked power mongers that leftists are.
And I assume that the billions Egypt receives
Israel gets 3.3 billion. Egypt gets 1.4 billion as a bribe to not attack Israel. The money we give to Israel's neighbors is also being given for the benefit of Israel. We pay Jordan a lot of bribe money, too.
Which is why American propaganda is so effective.
You need to distinguish between the globohomo liberal media, which is a non-state actor aggregate of many private corporations, and the US government itself. The US government does not control the media, and to a large extent, is controlled by it.
CNN, MSNBC, etc. all employ spooks/war criminals/FBI agents, and it shows.
They employ Democrats. Since 95% of the US federal bureaucracy is Democrats now, then yes, we should expect to see former US government bureaucrats working to advance the interests of the Democrats in the media as well.
Oh and let me give an example:
Biden tries to ignore Chinese spy balloon.
Media blows up Chinese spy balloon story.
Biden refuses to shoot down Chinese spy balloon.
Media broadly mock Biden for refusing to shoot it down. The mockery is loudest from conservatives, but the Democrat media refuse to defend him apart from some ultra-shills like Whoopie Goldberg and such.
Biden caves in like a bitch and shoots it down AFTER it completes its mission.
^ clear example of how the media, not the US government, control the narrative and drive policy.
They try. But Mitt Romney was the "ultra maga" equivalent in 2012. Now he is a squishy moderate. Why? Donald J. Trump. DeSantis would not have stood a chance if Trump had not cleared the way and extended the Overton Window. That is also why I think MTG and others are valuable. It allows anyone who is not MTG to pose as a moderate.
Nah. The Democrats ALWAYS lie and call whoever they face a right wing extremist, no matter how laughably untrue it is. They did it to both McCain and Romney, two of the most liberal republicans in the country. I think they failed with both. Romney only lost not because the Democrats successfully painted him as an extremist, but because Romney was a dumbass and pained himself as an elitist. His rich, wall street background and polished appearance made it an exposed flank even before he got recorded saying half the country basically contributes nothing.
Look at John Fetterman. The Democrats are totally obsessed with pretending to be blue collar and LARPing it even when it's obvious a lie.
So my point is, it doesn't matter. You can't game the Overton Window. All you can do is fight smartly by picking battles where you can get swing voters on your side. Trump doesn't help, he hurts, because he alienates swing voters. It is DESANTIS, not Trump, who moves the Overton Window Right. Just like how Reagan did: by making Right wing views mainstream and popular.
That is also why I think MTG and others are valuable. It allows anyone who is not MTG to pose as a moderate.
It makes anyone associated with MTG look like a lunatic like MTG. She hurts the party, she doesn't help it. Look, you need to understand that the Democrats are GOOD AT THIS. They know what they're doing. They wouldn't be playing the game this way if it worked like you imagined. They'd be finding left wing lunatics and promoting them instead of hiding them.
Because Israel is a jewish ethnostate. Not all jews actually support Israel, in particularly the atheistic jews, but the "neocon" ones did: "Wolfowitz demonstrated himself to be one of the strongest supporters of Israel in the Reagan administration."
Yes, because the liberal attitude towards assimilation is that it means "cultural genocide by Hwhite people". Liberals want to divide us and have everyone who isn't a straight white male, gang up on and tear down straight white males. Part of that is a huge push to attack and demean whiteness. The liberals also hate America, and traditional American values (if you ask a lib about American history, they think it was nothing but slavery and jim crow) and they associate everything they hate with whiteness.
They'll try, but they will fail. It's a lot harder for the lib media to attack DeSantis than Trump, because truth and reality aren't on their side. Sure, they'll try, but they'll fail. The more you allow fringe types to be in your group, the more you embrace a weakness that can be exploited by your enemies. So you do need to disown and ostracize the extremists.
However, we have a whole war being waged over the Overton Window now, and the Right is losing. So to some extent we need to dig in and say "this is not extremism, this is within the acceptable range of discourse" about a much broader range of views than what is allowed now.
It isn't. Israel has Arabs, white Jews, brown Jews and even black ones.
And Wolfowitz supporting Israel does not exactly make him an exception in the US, where nearly everyone does.
Truth and reality matter nothing though. You can persuade people of literally anything.
Disown, yes. But it's good that they are there. If you are the farthest right in the GOP, they will call you a far-right fascist racist. However, if there are Stormfags, then you will always look good in comparison. They extend the Overton Window.
That does not work though. Salami-slicing will prevail over that.
The jews like to say that, but the jews are 100% in control of the Israeli state, just like the Han Chinese are 100% in control of Communist China. Sure, both countries have minorities, and in Israel, those minorities actually have equal rights, they just don't have any power to decide policy, and policy is explicitly oriented towards providing a home for the jewish people. The jews would never allow the Palestinians to be absorbed into Israel for example, because this would dilute their power and control. It would threaten their ethnostate and the jewish supremacy in Israel.
To be fair, Israel is certainly the nicest ethnostate out there. I'm sure in general the Arab minority in Israel feel like they have equal rights. The Palestinians? Not so much.
Most republicans support Israel, but wouldn't put Israel ahead of the US. Wolfowitz would. The simple fact of the matter is that many jews put their jewish identity above their American identity, which causes divided loyalties since the Israeli ethnostate embodies their jewish identity. The US gives Israel $3 billion per year for no good reason, just because of politicians pandering to the jewish lobby in the US. The same is true of the US dropping a billion on Israel to foot the bill for their Iron Dome missiles even though the US has nothing to do with it. Why was it done? To pander to the jews here in America.
Hard disagree. There are myriad examples of authoritarian states failing to do so despite rigging everything in their favor. The fact that CCP China was recently FORCED to back down from its strict COVID policies thanks to widespread protest, when the whole state apparatus of the CCP was designed to win exactly that kind of battle against their own people, shows that there are limits that even the most resource-rich and devoted authoritarians cannot overcome.
Putin is similarly limited. If he wasn't, he would have declared a full mobilization in March 2022, and he would have called the Ukraine invasion a war and not a "special operation". Putin couldn't just do as he pleased, he had to operate within limits that fundamentally trace back to people not being persuaded.
I disagree on that point, because the libs are very good at using people like stormfags to collapse, not extend, the overton window. The trick they use is to lie and cast a much broader group than the stormfags, as stormfags. You see them doing this every day. That's why every republican to the right of mitt romney is an "ultra maga".
They are somewhat successful in this. And their success is directly predicated on the fact that the Right doesn't shun the stormfags enough, for example.
Dishonest propaganda tactics sometimes work. You need to examine why they are working and counter-move to undermine their success. The correct counter-move here is to cut off and shun groups which large majorities of the public find to be so offensive as to be intolerable, like stormfags.
Now of COURSE the libs will ATTEMPT to attack you if you're on the right edge of the Overton window. So what? It's not inevitable that you will lose that fight. If properly positioned, you will win that fight and the libs will fail to move the window. I think it's foolish on the Right to presume that the libs will always win over time, and that the march leftward is inevitable. It's not.
The last government literally had an Arab party backing it. Not sure how you determine percentage control over a state.
But yeah, Jews should control the Israeli state, like the French should control the French state. Not exactly rocket science.
So it's like 99% of the population in Europe and America.
LOL. I'm wondering whether your ethnic origins may be similar to mine, esp. considering the Orthodox thing. Because one never hears American right-wingers talk about 'Palestinians', unless they are anti-Semites (which I don't think you are, you just rightly don't care about sounding like one).
100% of Republicans don't give a damn about either the US or Israel, but only about themselves, their pockets, their PR and status. Same is true of Wolfowitz.
And I don't know how you quantify who Wolfowitz puts first.
And I assume that the billions Egypt receives to pad the profits of the arms manufacturers is because of pandering to the almighty Egyptian lobby?
That is not a belief that is without costs. But "transwomen are women" is for most people. Which is why American propaganda is so effective. Probably the greatest propagandists on the earth. "Authoritarian states" are amateur hour when it comes to propaganda. They have to block alternatives using hard power rather than doing it through corporations. The Americans, they don't need to censor stuff, because they control the propaganda apparatus anyway. CNN, MSNBC, etc. all employ spooks/war criminals/FBI agents, and it shows.
Persuade people that they have a 'free press', and they'll be more gullible than a child.
You keep claiming that he is a 'dictator'. So he isn't, and Russia is an oligarchy like the US. Though here as well, I'd say that the problem is not "the people" (who don't matter anywhere, and especially in the US), but the elites. In this particular case, it seems that Putin and the Kremlins are being delusional, because I can't imagine the elites are terribly happy with not taking the war seriously.
They try. But Mitt Romney was the "ultra maga" equivalent in 2012. Now he is a squishy moderate. Why? Donald J. Trump. DeSantis would not have stood a chance if Trump had not cleared the way and extended the Overton Window. That is also why I think MTG and others are valuable. It allows anyone who is not MTG to pose as a moderate.
Shunning, yes. At least to some extent. They should not be allowed to take over a platform. But I see no harm in a few heavily downvoted Stormfags at the bottom of the page. And the fact that they have a voice. The mere fact that they call Republicans leftists makes Republicans look more moderate.
So what? It will likely work. Because you are literally on the far-right if there's no one further right than you. I'd like to point to 20 more gradiants to your right. See? I'm the moderate.
You only need to own 51% shares of a corporation to have 100% control. Jews make up 77% of voters, Arabs 17%. Jews have total control of Israel's government. If there was ever an issue where Arab and Jew goals diverged, the Jews would get their way 100% of the time.
Cool then don't argue about it. France can be an ethnostate, too. It's not because whites, especially white europeans, are suicidal as a race thanks to leftist politics teaching them to hate their own whiteness and blocking them from having a white identity.
I'm a big fan of Japan. The Japanese keep Japan as the homeland for the Yamato race. They highly restrict immigration so as not to dilute their national character. The United States would be a far, far better place if it stayed white, didn't import blacks for slavery, and didn't allow hispanics to flood in en masse. Limited, restricted, merit-based immigration is fine. Asian immigrants to the US have been a great success because of their limited numbers and high quality.
You're correct that I'm not antisemitic but I also do not want to bow down to fear of "da joos" coming to get me like Kanye. Half of my family is from central/eastern europe hence the Orthodox thing.
AFAIK every American calls them Palestinians. What else would we call them? Even Ben Shapiro calls them that, whenever he isn't calling them terrorists. I generally support Israel against the Palestinians, but that doesn't mean I can't also say the Palestinians have legitimate grievances that they act upon in a foolish and self-defeating way. If Palestinians were more like Ghandi or MLK, they would actually have a lot more power and Israel would be forced to bown down to them. It just isn't as SATISFYING for an angry, bitter person to attain victory through manipulation, they want to rip out the hearts of their enemies and obtain power by force. Well... Israel has been winning at that game for 50 years, and expertly exploits sympathy from it, leading to people like me being totally okay with Israel's other policies, some of which might be objectionable in isolation.
Not true at all. Republicans care very much for American ideals and traditional values. They live by a Code, and aren't the naked power mongers that leftists are.
Israel gets 3.3 billion. Egypt gets 1.4 billion as a bribe to not attack Israel. The money we give to Israel's neighbors is also being given for the benefit of Israel. We pay Jordan a lot of bribe money, too.
You need to distinguish between the globohomo liberal media, which is a non-state actor aggregate of many private corporations, and the US government itself. The US government does not control the media, and to a large extent, is controlled by it.
They employ Democrats. Since 95% of the US federal bureaucracy is Democrats now, then yes, we should expect to see former US government bureaucrats working to advance the interests of the Democrats in the media as well.
Oh and let me give an example:
Biden tries to ignore Chinese spy balloon.
Media blows up Chinese spy balloon story.
Biden refuses to shoot down Chinese spy balloon.
Media broadly mock Biden for refusing to shoot it down. The mockery is loudest from conservatives, but the Democrat media refuse to defend him apart from some ultra-shills like Whoopie Goldberg and such.
Biden caves in like a bitch and shoots it down AFTER it completes its mission.
^ clear example of how the media, not the US government, control the narrative and drive policy.
Nah. The Democrats ALWAYS lie and call whoever they face a right wing extremist, no matter how laughably untrue it is. They did it to both McCain and Romney, two of the most liberal republicans in the country. I think they failed with both. Romney only lost not because the Democrats successfully painted him as an extremist, but because Romney was a dumbass and pained himself as an elitist. His rich, wall street background and polished appearance made it an exposed flank even before he got recorded saying half the country basically contributes nothing.
Look at John Fetterman. The Democrats are totally obsessed with pretending to be blue collar and LARPing it even when it's obvious a lie.
So my point is, it doesn't matter. You can't game the Overton Window. All you can do is fight smartly by picking battles where you can get swing voters on your side. Trump doesn't help, he hurts, because he alienates swing voters. It is DESANTIS, not Trump, who moves the Overton Window Right. Just like how Reagan did: by making Right wing views mainstream and popular.
It makes anyone associated with MTG look like a lunatic like MTG. She hurts the party, she doesn't help it. Look, you need to understand that the Democrats are GOOD AT THIS. They know what they're doing. They wouldn't be playing the game this way if it worked like you imagined. They'd be finding left wing lunatics and promoting them instead of hiding them.