Sure, the earth is very slowly getting warmer. 1C over more than 100 years.
No, 4C in 100 years. And yes, it will have some negative effects, as a change in climate will always cause some negative effects to some animals and plants living in those specific climates that will not support them.
More, or worse, natural disasters?
Fair, this is Watermellon bullshit. Those statistics were always too abstract to mean much beyond a simple energy equation. You're not going to feel a difference between a hurricane, and a hurricane that is "15% stronger".
Desertification? Same.
You're way off on this because you're being way to generalizable on this. It is a fact that the deserts have expanded into some regions to make them more arid. That will likely continue in some areas. IT IS ALSO TRUE, that areas of tundra and permafrost are also becoming more green. No, "hot" is not less dangerous to plants than "cold". That's just stupid and unnuanced. Plants handle hot and cold differently, and will absolutely die off in some areas that get too much heat, too much sun, too little humidity, etc. You can't just say that, it doesn't make sense on a generalizable scale. Also, yes, heatwaves absolutely kill people especially if you damage the electrical grid so that your public housing unit ends up suffocating and dehydrating shitloads of people.
But if you don't have heavy clothing outside at night standing in probably 1/3 of the earth, you'll die from the cold. Cold is super dangerous, and deadly. It kills 20x more than heat.
You'll also drown if you stand on 7/10ths of the Earth. Again, this is a conversation of "cold more bad than hot!" is so stupid and irrelevant it's not worth having. Which is why you can say: "Heat is just as easy to mitigate against as cold." There's no point in this entire swathe of an argument.
luddite-like fear of change and fear of the "unknown", which is exploited by "green" propagandists in their campaign to attack human progress and development.
No, it's that the modern Environmentalist movement is emergent from National Socialist ideology. They are inherently anti-human because they believe that civilization can be protected by purifying both the blood and the soil. Turns out purifying the blood is unpopular, so they are taking a Fabain Socialist approach to purify the blood by purifying the soil.
This is a worst-case predicted amount if we continue to increase CO2 at the same rate as recently for 100 years and their models are correct.
But that won't happen. They're projecting from a rapid rise in China's scorched-earth industrial policies and not factoring in that China will clean up it's act eventually just like every other industrialized country or considering advances in technology (USA for example). And their models are biased because of funding and groupthink.
But even a China successor won't become as huge a CO2 source because of solar/wind or even fusion. In some cases solar and wind are cheaper now, and they'll only get better whereas coal hasn't really gotten any better than 35% efficiency for the past 50 years.
You simply can't make any long-term prediction predicated on technology being the same the whole time.
No, that's the expected outcome, not the worst case. The worst case is like up to 6C.
But that won't happen. They're projecting from a rapid rise in China's scorched-earth industrial policies and not factoring in that China will clean up it's act eventually just like every other industrialized country or considering advances in technology (USA for example).
The idea that Communist states are prepared to manage their environments appropriately is laughably absurd. They've never cleaned up their act until after the fall of Communism.
You simply can't make any long-term prediction predicated on technology being the same the whole time.
The technological change just isn't going to be all that relevant in the first place. Forget that China subsidization of pollutive extraction industries is exactly how you're hoping China will "clean up it's act", we don't even need to really consider how technology can hopefully mitigate carbon emissions when carbon is only going to be the primary source of energy from humans this century and if you want nuclear or fusion power you're going to have to wait for it's mass planetary adoption well over 80 years from now.
Instead, what we know is that not only are human populations going to rapidly rise to 10-14 billion and then plateau, not only will those extra billions of humans need energy, but they will need and want more energy than any of their predecessors. The vast and exponential demand for energy means you are going to use vast and exponential supplies of carbon based energy sources, and everything else you can get your hands on. As a result of that increased demand, requiring more carbon based supply, requiring more consumption of those supplies, requiring more carbon emissions, you are only going to get increasing carbon emissions across the planet, basically for the next 100 years until the population finally stabalizes. Alternatively, the only way of reducing carbon emissions is to reduce the demand for energy... by reducing the people. Which they are already doing.
The idea that Communist states are prepared to manage their environments appropriately is laughably absurd. They've never cleaned up their act until after the fall of Communism.
Yeah, but why did they burn so much coal and oil? Because it was cheaper and they didn't care about the environment.
When solar and wind are cheaper they'll use that -- and still not care about the environment. They'll be polluting their land with heavy metals, sure, but not the air with CO2.
You see the change already with islands changing to solar and wind. Hawaii for instance is increasing solar because even with batteries it's cheaper than coal/oil - way higher at 18% electricity from solar than other states (CA is higher only because they're horribly mismanaged). That will propagate to logistically cheaper places as the cost of solar/wind continues to decrease.
carbon is only going to be the primary source of energy from humans this century and if you want nuclear or fusion power you're going to have to wait for it's mass planetary adoption well over 80 years from now.
Energy is not immune to disruptive technology, in fact it's prime for it because electricity is totally fungible. It doesn't matter the source and the speed of change is determined by the price difference.
It's not a case of oil having too much inertia behind it. Once the price of other energy is cheaper than extraction oil use will crater in the span of a decade or less, and when that starts could be 80 years or it could be next year. And this is the point, that you can't predict when it will happen but we know it will.
extra billions of humans need energy, but they will need and want more energy than any of their predecessors.
Irrelevant. What matters is the cost of energy sources. Whatever amount is needed, they won't be getting it from far more expensive oil.
That's not going to happen. Coal is cheaper. Dude, natural gas isn't cheaper than coal, and renewable are way more expensive. We don't even have the battery technology to make renewable cheaper, and all renewable are less efficient than coal & natural gas. Nuclear energy is eye-gougingly expensive, but most of that is mitigated by the fact that it can put out so much energy over such a large area, for such a long time. The economy of scale helps make nuclear energy reasonable. But renewables get even more prohibitively expensive at scale. There's really no situation where green energy overtakes coal in price until all green energy is subsidized at all points in the economy.
Hawaii for instance is increasing solar because even with batteries it's cheaper than coal/oil - way higher at 18% electricity from solar than other states
A wind-swept, sunny, pacific, island is the 2nd best possible place, and it's still being heavily federally subsidized, Hawaiian's themselves are paying increased taxes to make a lower upfront cost, you can bet your ass the progressives on Hawaii have regulated oil/gas almost entirely out of business, and the problem of scale (and worse: maintenance) still remains. There are no better places (excluding the open desert), and even then you need major state manipulation of the marketplace in order to make it lower cost.
This isn't an economic issue, where if you toy with just the right things, you'll make the price go down enough to justify it to yourself. It's a chemistry problem. Hydro-Carbons are some of the most efficient, most storable, longest lasting, most controllable, and cheapest, stores of chemical energy on earth. Even with batteries, renewables aren't even close. Like I said, Uranium works, but only at a large enough scale. Renewables barely work anywhere except on very small scales. Batteries work reliably on small scales, but are catastrophic on large scales, and don't actually last that many uses before they degrade. I'm telling you: you're not even 50 years from the needed materials science to make batteries an easy solution without subsidy and socialism. Fusion has advanced faster than batteries.
Energy is not immune to disruptive technology, in fact it's prime for it because electricity is totally fungible. It doesn't matter the source and the speed of change is determined by the price difference.
You're not getting it. I'm not saying that energy is immune to disruptive technology, I'm saying that every government on earth is dumping horrifically wasteful amounts of money to try and find that disruptive technology because of it's strategic implications. A century ago, that disruptive technology was gasoline refining. Right now, it's Fusion. It's never been renewables because it's a bad investment.
That price difference to the consumer is not where the equation stops. Yes, getting mass adoption can help pay for the new energy source, but it also still requires the governments to pay for it, and if the taxes and subsidies are so burdensome on the economy that mass adoption of a new energy source damages the economy, then it is worth taking up. Nobody is at the point they need to get anywhere near abandoning hydro-carbons, and nobody every will be at the point where they need to mass accept renewables.
What matters is the cost of energy sources. Whatever amount is needed, they won't be getting it from far more expensive oil.
Read the works of Gunter Schwab (interesting last name). Particularly: "Der Tanz mit dem Teufel". Not only was he a member of the NSDAP, but he was a major player in Post-War Socialism efforts, one of the first people to argue about the effects of carbon emissions on the planet, and he and several other NSDAP members founded the german Green Party.
I still think that he's Klaus Schawb's dad.
Also, you might need to read up on the bizzarities of Aryanism to understand the literal magical powers of blood and soil according to NSDAP leaders like Himmler.
No, 4C in 100 years. And yes, it will have some negative effects, as a change in climate will always cause some negative effects to some animals and plants living in those specific climates that will not support them.
Fair, this is Watermellon bullshit. Those statistics were always too abstract to mean much beyond a simple energy equation. You're not going to feel a difference between a hurricane, and a hurricane that is "15% stronger".
You're way off on this because you're being way to generalizable on this. It is a fact that the deserts have expanded into some regions to make them more arid. That will likely continue in some areas. IT IS ALSO TRUE, that areas of tundra and permafrost are also becoming more green. No, "hot" is not less dangerous to plants than "cold". That's just stupid and unnuanced. Plants handle hot and cold differently, and will absolutely die off in some areas that get too much heat, too much sun, too little humidity, etc. You can't just say that, it doesn't make sense on a generalizable scale. Also, yes, heatwaves absolutely kill people especially if you damage the electrical grid so that your public housing unit ends up suffocating and dehydrating shitloads of people.
You'll also drown if you stand on 7/10ths of the Earth. Again, this is a conversation of "cold more bad than hot!" is so stupid and irrelevant it's not worth having. Which is why you can say: "Heat is just as easy to mitigate against as cold." There's no point in this entire swathe of an argument.
No, it's that the modern Environmentalist movement is emergent from National Socialist ideology. They are inherently anti-human because they believe that civilization can be protected by purifying both the blood and the soil. Turns out purifying the blood is unpopular, so they are taking a Fabain Socialist approach to purify the blood by purifying the soil.
This is a worst-case predicted amount if we continue to increase CO2 at the same rate as recently for 100 years and their models are correct.
But that won't happen. They're projecting from a rapid rise in China's scorched-earth industrial policies and not factoring in that China will clean up it's act eventually just like every other industrialized country or considering advances in technology (USA for example). And their models are biased because of funding and groupthink.
But even a China successor won't become as huge a CO2 source because of solar/wind or even fusion. In some cases solar and wind are cheaper now, and they'll only get better whereas coal hasn't really gotten any better than 35% efficiency for the past 50 years.
You simply can't make any long-term prediction predicated on technology being the same the whole time.
No, that's the expected outcome, not the worst case. The worst case is like up to 6C.
The idea that Communist states are prepared to manage their environments appropriately is laughably absurd. They've never cleaned up their act until after the fall of Communism.
The technological change just isn't going to be all that relevant in the first place. Forget that China subsidization of pollutive extraction industries is exactly how you're hoping China will "clean up it's act", we don't even need to really consider how technology can hopefully mitigate carbon emissions when carbon is only going to be the primary source of energy from humans this century and if you want nuclear or fusion power you're going to have to wait for it's mass planetary adoption well over 80 years from now.
Instead, what we know is that not only are human populations going to rapidly rise to 10-14 billion and then plateau, not only will those extra billions of humans need energy, but they will need and want more energy than any of their predecessors. The vast and exponential demand for energy means you are going to use vast and exponential supplies of carbon based energy sources, and everything else you can get your hands on. As a result of that increased demand, requiring more carbon based supply, requiring more consumption of those supplies, requiring more carbon emissions, you are only going to get increasing carbon emissions across the planet, basically for the next 100 years until the population finally stabalizes. Alternatively, the only way of reducing carbon emissions is to reduce the demand for energy... by reducing the people. Which they are already doing.
Yeah, but why did they burn so much coal and oil? Because it was cheaper and they didn't care about the environment.
When solar and wind are cheaper they'll use that -- and still not care about the environment. They'll be polluting their land with heavy metals, sure, but not the air with CO2.
You see the change already with islands changing to solar and wind. Hawaii for instance is increasing solar because even with batteries it's cheaper than coal/oil - way higher at 18% electricity from solar than other states (CA is higher only because they're horribly mismanaged). That will propagate to logistically cheaper places as the cost of solar/wind continues to decrease.
Energy is not immune to disruptive technology, in fact it's prime for it because electricity is totally fungible. It doesn't matter the source and the speed of change is determined by the price difference.
It's not a case of oil having too much inertia behind it. Once the price of other energy is cheaper than extraction oil use will crater in the span of a decade or less, and when that starts could be 80 years or it could be next year. And this is the point, that you can't predict when it will happen but we know it will.
Irrelevant. What matters is the cost of energy sources. Whatever amount is needed, they won't be getting it from far more expensive oil.
That's not going to happen. Coal is cheaper. Dude, natural gas isn't cheaper than coal, and renewable are way more expensive. We don't even have the battery technology to make renewable cheaper, and all renewable are less efficient than coal & natural gas. Nuclear energy is eye-gougingly expensive, but most of that is mitigated by the fact that it can put out so much energy over such a large area, for such a long time. The economy of scale helps make nuclear energy reasonable. But renewables get even more prohibitively expensive at scale. There's really no situation where green energy overtakes coal in price until all green energy is subsidized at all points in the economy.
A wind-swept, sunny, pacific, island is the 2nd best possible place, and it's still being heavily federally subsidized, Hawaiian's themselves are paying increased taxes to make a lower upfront cost, you can bet your ass the progressives on Hawaii have regulated oil/gas almost entirely out of business, and the problem of scale (and worse: maintenance) still remains. There are no better places (excluding the open desert), and even then you need major state manipulation of the marketplace in order to make it lower cost.
This isn't an economic issue, where if you toy with just the right things, you'll make the price go down enough to justify it to yourself. It's a chemistry problem. Hydro-Carbons are some of the most efficient, most storable, longest lasting, most controllable, and cheapest, stores of chemical energy on earth. Even with batteries, renewables aren't even close. Like I said, Uranium works, but only at a large enough scale. Renewables barely work anywhere except on very small scales. Batteries work reliably on small scales, but are catastrophic on large scales, and don't actually last that many uses before they degrade. I'm telling you: you're not even 50 years from the needed materials science to make batteries an easy solution without subsidy and socialism. Fusion has advanced faster than batteries.
You're not getting it. I'm not saying that energy is immune to disruptive technology, I'm saying that every government on earth is dumping horrifically wasteful amounts of money to try and find that disruptive technology because of it's strategic implications. A century ago, that disruptive technology was gasoline refining. Right now, it's Fusion. It's never been renewables because it's a bad investment.
That price difference to the consumer is not where the equation stops. Yes, getting mass adoption can help pay for the new energy source, but it also still requires the governments to pay for it, and if the taxes and subsidies are so burdensome on the economy that mass adoption of a new energy source damages the economy, then it is worth taking up. Nobody is at the point they need to get anywhere near abandoning hydro-carbons, and nobody every will be at the point where they need to mass accept renewables.
That is not going to be true in your lifetime.
The last part of your comment is one of the most insanely retarded things I’ve ever read lol
Read the works of Gunter Schwab (interesting last name). Particularly: "Der Tanz mit dem Teufel". Not only was he a member of the NSDAP, but he was a major player in Post-War Socialism efforts, one of the first people to argue about the effects of carbon emissions on the planet, and he and several other NSDAP members founded the german Green Party.
I still think that he's Klaus Schawb's dad.
Also, you might need to read up on the bizzarities of Aryanism to understand the literal magical powers of blood and soil according to NSDAP leaders like Himmler.