14 switched in total, of note a lot of them yesterday were the ones that voted for Donalds, and NONE of them seemed happy about doing it despite the rounds of applause they got for doing it. It seemed less a deal was reached, more 'we're holding your pet hostage unless you change your vote'
So it might end today but these last 7 are the ones that might hold out till the weekend, these are the ones more directly attacked by the party for not voting McCarthy so might be they know he'll go after them hard if he wins today.
Edit: I'll add edits like yesterday for any changes and new votes, 13th vote has failed, 1 flipped for McCarthy.
Edit 2: voted to adjourn till 22:00 EST, could vote again but I ain't got time for that to update, guess I'll find out tomorrow if he gets in this week or next lol
I hope they managed to wring good concessions from McCarthy.
For all people's fantasies that it would "lead to the end of the GOP', that was never going to happen. How come the same people who see there is a Uniparty doubt that the GOP elite would turn to Democrats to elect a speaker?
They got promises in verbal only only to hear him shouting at reporters after 'There is no deal!' so they don't know if he'll follow through but they have to go by their promise.
A commentator said that they are close to a deal and that some voted for McCarthy as a sign of good faith. It would make sense.
Any good politician will combine threats and carrots. "If you vote for me, you'll get X, but if you vote against me, I'll inflict Y on you." Gaetz and Boebert are NeverKevins, they are probably going to get punished. The rest not.
Even the publicly released concessions are significant. And the yet-to-be-passed Rules package will have to include the ability to call for another vote on McCarthy, so he really can't backtrack.
Do those mean anything between politicians? I'm only aware of public campaign pledges, sworn oaths when taking office, and declared principles that vanish on command.
Are there absences or present voters affecting this? 218 is the magic number if all are voting, and he can afford to lose 4 in that case. He needs another 3 votes in the 218 case, but it may be less if people not voting bring that threshold down depending on how the math works out.
14 switched in total, of note a lot of them yesterday were the ones that voted for Donalds, and NONE of them seemed happy about doing it despite the rounds of applause they got for doing it. It seemed less a deal was reached, more 'we're holding your pet hostage unless you change your vote'
So it might end today but these last 7 are the ones that might hold out till the weekend, these are the ones more directly attacked by the party for not voting McCarthy so might be they know he'll go after them hard if he wins today.
Edit: I'll add edits like yesterday for any changes and new votes, 13th vote has failed, 1 flipped for McCarthy.
Edit 2: voted to adjourn till 22:00 EST, could vote again but I ain't got time for that to update, guess I'll find out tomorrow if he gets in this week or next lol
I hope they managed to wring good concessions from McCarthy.
For all people's fantasies that it would "lead to the end of the GOP', that was never going to happen. How come the same people who see there is a Uniparty doubt that the GOP elite would turn to Democrats to elect a speaker?
The faces of the defectors tells 2 possibilities:
They caved to threats
They got promises in verbal only only to hear him shouting at reporters after 'There is no deal!' so they don't know if he'll follow through but they have to go by their promise.
A commentator said that they are close to a deal and that some voted for McCarthy as a sign of good faith. It would make sense.
Any good politician will combine threats and carrots. "If you vote for me, you'll get X, but if you vote against me, I'll inflict Y on you." Gaetz and Boebert are NeverKevins, they are probably going to get punished. The rest not.
Even the publicly released concessions are significant. And the yet-to-be-passed Rules package will have to include the ability to call for another vote on McCarthy, so he really can't backtrack.
A good politician does but a better one ensures that the promises are either written or on camera to make backtracking more toxic.
That's elementary, Watson.
Tell that to Joe Manchin. Promises made on camera and then Schumer laughed at him for being so gullible.
Do those mean anything between politicians? I'm only aware of public campaign pledges, sworn oaths when taking office, and declared principles that vanish on command.
How many votes does he need? All?
He needs either 216/17 (it's hard to keep track with some of this) but he needs out of the remaining 7, 3 more defections.
Gotcha. Thanks.
Are there absences or present voters affecting this? 218 is the magic number if all are voting, and he can afford to lose 4 in that case. He needs another 3 votes in the 218 case, but it may be less if people not voting bring that threshold down depending on how the math works out.
Got a few missing, heard one is a surgery, another his wife went into labor early so that's fair