Time's person of the year is Zelensky.
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Ok, we can only use that 2014 exampm if you want to accept that the US and Europe have been involved since the coup not that this war started this year.
The problem is the messaging doesn't represent the facts coming out, if Ukraine is winning so much, why try to escalate by trying to get NATO fully involved or attacking Russia's interior. If you're winning a war you don't expand the scope of it where you could be stretched too thin to respond to new threats or climb the escalation ladder to where even more destruction is on the table.
The only coup was Russian first in Crimea when "not" Russian soldiers for some reason all armed with literal machineguns (Russia's new Pechenegs) seized the administration buildings in the raids in a middle of a night, and then in Slovyansk by Strelkov's semi-private party (with normal automatic rifles, and RPGs) and in other places by various other groups of masked men in unmarked uniforms. This was also the beginning of the war. More than 11,000 people then died in it over the next 12 months, and Wróbel was just one of them, like the almost 300 mostly Dutch people onboard MH17 were just a couple hundred of them among the thousands.
Which began prior when the US using the CIA and Europe encouraged an uprising against a democratically elected leader who was more pro Russian relations than trying to join the EU, who had support from the Eastern section of the country.
Can we say Russia took advantage of the situation to seize Crimea and seed discord in Ukraine, yes. Can we also say the US and Europe helped instigate this chain events hoping to have Ukraine on it's side then after that didn't fully materialise, use it as a base of a lot of money laundering exercises because of the corruption caused by a power vacuum, yes. Ukraine has been the US's bitch since Obama and only those with rose tinted glasses will deny it.
Who was also democratically deposed (by parliamentary vote), which happened only after he quietly and suddenly stole (more) money and fled straight to Moscow without telling even his supporters and stopping anywhere (he just simply vanished until he resurfaced in Moscow, never to return ever since to this day for even a minute, he's only in Moscow just all the time), and then a new president was speedily elected after weeks of interim parliamentary rule.
Ukraine was a country not listening to America (for their own peril) and not being even really supported by America until 2022 (and especially not until Trump, as Obama had refused to send them any weapons at all and mostly just did weak sanctions that Russians laughed about), which was despite American guarantees of security for them having given up their gigantic (much larger than the Chinese even now) nuclear arsenal of missiles and bombers which were all either destroyed or transfered to Russia in the deal that was orchestrated by America and in large part also financed by America. The American led strategic disarmament of Ukraine began in 1994 and was finished in 2002.
The American lead negotiator now looking back at it: https://afsa.org/should-ukraine-have-kept-nuclear-weapons
What is being ignored is the 'escalation ladder' in this event, which the left especially loves to skip to the end.
Usually you try to keep conflict down to a certain level, knowing that if you raise the bar, you reduce the possibility of a peaceful solution and increase the risk of death and destruction. Despite how he said it, Trump's actions showed he understood this and that's why we had no more wars under him.
Obama AND Biden, they escalated all the fucking time especially during the Arab spring which most failed or resulted in an hardline religious order taking over, all because they thought by using social media and the public, they could get the Middle East on their ideology.
It failed horrifically, whereas Trump came in, said "Let's make some money" and you had arab countries signing deals with Israel. Point is Obama and Biden tried escalating the situation always to get their way and its ALWAYS fucked up. Like Ukraine currently as no matter what, they are a broken country when this is over.