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Time's person of the year is Zelensky. (mobile.twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by onetruephilosoraptor 3 years ago by onetruephilosoraptor +34 / -0
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– SoctaticMethod1 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Yet they kept yelling "Russia attacked Poland! Russia killed Polish citizens!" Even after NATO went "this is your air defence missile, not a Russian long range missile"

I said Russia's partners just need an excuse to look the other way even more, attacking the interior of Russia welcomes even more possibilities of it happening.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

That's also the Polish gov (and opposition alike) line, the responsibility is 100% Russian. Just like all the civs killed by their fellow Americans in Pearl Harbor only died because of the Japanese attack.

Also the first Polish citizen who died in this war did in 2014, and he was brutally murdered by a drunken Russian fighter who first beat him in a street of Donetsk, then emptied his entire magazine into his legs (and pavement) and left him for dead. He was scooped to a hospital in Kharkiv, got one of his leg amputated but died 3 days later anyway. His name was Kazimierz Wróbel, he was living there with his local wife.

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– SoctaticMethod1 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Ok, we can only use that 2014 exampm if you want to accept that the US and Europe have been involved since the coup not that this war started this year.

The problem is the messaging doesn't represent the facts coming out, if Ukraine is winning so much, why try to escalate by trying to get NATO fully involved or attacking Russia's interior. If you're winning a war you don't expand the scope of it where you could be stretched too thin to respond to new threats or climb the escalation ladder to where even more destruction is on the table.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The only coup was Russian first in Crimea when "not" Russian soldiers for some reason all armed with literal machineguns (Russia's new Pechenegs) seized the administration buildings in the raids in a middle of a night, and then in Slovyansk by Strelkov's semi-private party (with normal automatic rifles, and RPGs) and in other places by various other groups of masked men in unmarked uniforms. This was also the beginning of the war. More than 11,000 people then died in it over the next 12 months, and Wróbel was just one of them, like the almost 300 mostly Dutch people onboard MH17 were just a couple hundred of them among the thousands.

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– SoctaticMethod1 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Which began prior when the US using the CIA and Europe encouraged an uprising against a democratically elected leader who was more pro Russian relations than trying to join the EU, who had support from the Eastern section of the country.

Can we say Russia took advantage of the situation to seize Crimea and seed discord in Ukraine, yes. Can we also say the US and Europe helped instigate this chain events hoping to have Ukraine on it's side then after that didn't fully materialise, use it as a base of a lot of money laundering exercises because of the corruption caused by a power vacuum, yes. Ukraine has been the US's bitch since Obama and only those with rose tinted glasses will deny it.

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