We all know the story of the ADL's recent actions vindicating critics of Jewish power. We here are also familiar with anti-idpol, the idea that identity politics such as BLM, feminism and white nationalism, etc. are bad and should be discarded in favor of egalatarianism and the movmement/scene/faction/whatever that attempts to make that happen. Anti-idpol's response to the ADL's recent actions has been to declare that the ADL's apparent pro-Jewish activism is merely a front for their real goal, supporting Democrats, a response that I mocked and critiqued more rigorously. Anti-idpol's followup so far has been to sub "Fabian" in place of "Democrat" and restate the argument. This does almost nothing to alleviate the problems with this take that I pointed out in my critique. I suspect anti-idpol will sub nearly any word in the dictionary - with notable ommissions under "J" - in place of "Democrats" to see what they can get to stick if you play their games long enough.
Now imagine if black or white nationalism was in the news doing something bad. Do you think anti-idpol would hesitate to critique either one as a political force? They certainly don't hesitate to condemn white nationalism with the strongest possible language, calling it genocidal. You would think Jewish idpol doing something bad would be a great opportunity for them to point out problems with additional forms of idpol. Instead, they seek to launder Jewish idpol's actions by blaming them on other political forces. How can anyone take so-called anti-idpol seriously when it washes the hands of Jewish idpol like this? It looks fake and gay to me. Will they finally cede ground and admit that we are witnessing Jewish idpol in action?
Did you read the sentences preceding the one you quoted? They're kind of important. Another thing I want to point out is their role in ending school segregation. That sounds like something right up your own alley.
Does "pulling away from Progressivism" entail changing their positions on Israel?
Zionism is the creation and continued support of the Jewish state. While it is not in perfect union politically, there is no serious movement to expel either the religious or non-religious Jews on the part of the other. Assuming your definition for argument's sake, does it bother you that Republicans like Trump are not just Zionist but super hardcore turbo Zionists? I don't tend to hear a peep out of "anti-idpol" people about that.
Also, these points still stand, and they are some of the most important parts of my previous comment:
You don't like an answer, so you immediately try to deflect onto something else. What sucks about talking to you now, more than in the past year or so, is your utter unwillingness to engage in a good faith dialogue. It's not just that you're ideology is built entirely out of motivated reasoning, but that motivated reasoning is the core of every argument and rhetorical strategy you have.
I know you don't want to accept that Socialism and Judaism are different things, but they are. Socialistic control over the government is something that the US has liberalizing away from since FDR. The positions on Israel have been all over the place in those 50 years, because Israel does whatever the fuck it wants, and normally that agitates the US because of it's global strategic interests.
Secular state aligned with Leftism. You keep refusing to listen, like always.
He's not. Again, the point here is the Leftist secular jewish state. As with most other developed countries. Israel is fighting off Leftism. The Democrats align themselves more with the Leftists, and Republicans align themselves more with the conservatives and the religious.
You still don't want to accept the underlying Leftism. Did Feminism get women the right to vote? Yes. Is it's underlying ideology a Woman's cabal, or Leftistm designed to use women as a human shield? It's the latter. Your problem with TheImpossible1 is that he argues the former. It's just another skin suit.
There is no deflection. You omitted it because it shows that they reached out to the UN in order to protect diaspora Jews. In other words, the motivation was Jewish interest. You are the one deflecting. You know what you did.
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WTF are you talking about?
You are doing that "no true Jewman" bullshit where you deny the Jewishness of ancestral, ethnic secular Jews. I don't see where the ADL required the boycotted Israeli settlers to renounce Judaism in exchange for its support. Why did they fight a circumcision ban and explicitly stand up for religious Jews? Also, what's this?
There is a historical and still existing political force that re-established and maintains Israel as a state for those of Jewish ancestry, Judaism-practicing or not. The rest of the planet calls this political force "Zionism." Your attempt to redefine the word has all the intellectual honesty and attachment to reality as the "IT'S MA'AM!" guy, but I'll humor you anyway. You can share with me your word to describe this political force if you want. For now, I'll call it "Project Banana." What do you think of Trump and the Republicans supporting Project Banana and leftists also supporting Project Banana?
Women got women the right to vote. Liberalism was the ideological abstraction they used to morally justify it, convince liberal men to go along with it, and fit it within the established system's laws and norms. People do things. Ideologies are tools. You seem to think the tools themselves have agency.
This question still stands.