I highly doubt a civil war unless THEY start the fight, mis communicating thinking enough people are black pilled they won't fight back when that's only true in the deepest blue inner cities.
The thing about civil wars, you rarely want to be the instigator, it's usually best if you're the one responding as it sort of gives you more legitimacy (they attacked so we have to defend our lives, family and community). It's kind of funny the left full misconstrued this as the right not willing to fight back when looking at the amount of gun sales and organisation in the background, I'd say they're ready, just need the left to do something really dumb first though.
Essentially, it's why they splurged so hard on Jan 6, they thought "YES, WE GOT IT! THEY REACTED! NOW WE CAN GO FULL AUTHORITY AND CRUSH THEM!"
Then the pictures came out, of grannies walking around, people let in by police, staying inside the red velvet rope....
From anyone else not a brainwashed npc, Jan 6 at most seemed like a protest that got a little out of hand but nothing major (apart from capitol police gunning down an unarmed woman), at least, it looked like the authorities tried to set up the right but them only partially falling for it in a mostly non violent way.
You ignored my reply in that thread and are taking my words out of context to make a broad claim without understanding the point. I simply stated a fact. There's no call to action there. I would gladly welcome the boogaloo getting kicked off in my lifetime if I thought we actually had a chance, but we don't. The culture just isn't there yet. IMO encouraging decentralization or "peaceful divorce" is the best option. Take control of your state government. Have them put resources into state guards like DeSantis is doing, and create parallel systems. Remove dependence on federal money. THEN at some point when the feds demand something unreasonable, we simply say No. Ignore federal court rulings against us. Let them make the first move.
Why should I elaborate on all this in a thread about Brazil? Just don't make assumptions. I was criticizing you not for "saying Bolsonaro would be in the wrong for trying to overthrow democracy in Brazil", but for claiming that Bolsonaro was trying to overthrow democracy in Brazil. There is no evidence for that. But then you also had to invoke the liberal trope of Democracy as an unquestionably "Good Thing" that grants divine right of rule to The People and must never be challenged. Fuck that.
The thing about civil wars, you rarely want to be the instigator, it's usually best if you're the one responding as it sort of gives you more legitimacy
I dunno man, they've spent a long time conditioning the masses to accept any manner of tyranny if they come up with a good enough pretext for it.
'The person who shoots first is bad' might fly with the subset of people who are -
Perceptive enough to see through obvious propaganda
NOT perceptive enough to see the underlying issues and aggressions that sometimes makes violence an inevitability
but how many people are in that cohort? Awake enough to question, but not awake enough to see the war that's already happening and the outcome it leads to?
I mean, you're right, which side fires the first shot will define how the narrative plays out. But if they want to fire first they'll come up with some bullshit, lie-filled appeal to emotion to justify it, and a frightening amount of people will lap it up and beg for more.
I dunno man, they've spent a long time conditioning the masses to accept any manner of tyranny if they come up with a good enough pretext for it.
And look at how many believe them nowadays, the mainstream media will always puppet but more people watch a UFC commentator comedian podcast than them and the national chant was fuck the president. They overplayed their hand and their authority is slipping through their fingers like sand.
Another best example was the recent Nordstream 1 sabotage, the mainstream media, NATO leaders and country leaders all tried to say Russia blew up their own pipeline. What was the main sentiment people had: "why the fuck did the US blow up the pipeline are they trying to start WW3!?" They've lost too much creditabilty due to ineffective domestic governance that outside their useful idiots, they don't have enough support to stop a mass uprising if they go tyrannical.
It is heartening to see people reject obvious lies, but I worry many of those aren't actually independent thinkers, just the easily led types who happen to be pointing their tribalism in the right direction.
I'm probably being too blackpilled pilled here, it's just frightening how easy it is for liars with power to lead the masses to destructive conclusions. But there is hope. Thanks.
I highly doubt a civil war unless THEY start the fight, mis communicating thinking enough people are black pilled they won't fight back when that's only true in the deepest blue inner cities.
The thing about civil wars, you rarely want to be the instigator, it's usually best if you're the one responding as it sort of gives you more legitimacy (they attacked so we have to defend our lives, family and community). It's kind of funny the left full misconstrued this as the right not willing to fight back when looking at the amount of gun sales and organisation in the background, I'd say they're ready, just need the left to do something really dumb first though.
That's why they're always trying hard to bait dissenters on the Right so they can say they were right about us being domestic terrorists all along.
Essentially, it's why they splurged so hard on Jan 6, they thought "YES, WE GOT IT! THEY REACTED! NOW WE CAN GO FULL AUTHORITY AND CRUSH THEM!"
Then the pictures came out, of grannies walking around, people let in by police, staying inside the red velvet rope....
From anyone else not a brainwashed npc, Jan 6 at most seemed like a protest that got a little out of hand but nothing major (apart from capitol police gunning down an unarmed woman), at least, it looked like the authorities tried to set up the right but them only partially falling for it in a mostly non violent way.
You glow like the fucking sun. This is you calling for revolution 1 day ago in response to my saying that Bolsanaro would be in the wrong for trying to overthrow democracy in Brazil: "Don't be a faggot. You bring shame to your name. Democracy is a gayop... When one side is engaged in generational warfare and soft tyranny, violence is often the only solution. Thomas Jefferson suspected free people would need a revolution every 20 years or so."
You ignored my reply in that thread and are taking my words out of context to make a broad claim without understanding the point. I simply stated a fact. There's no call to action there. I would gladly welcome the boogaloo getting kicked off in my lifetime if I thought we actually had a chance, but we don't. The culture just isn't there yet. IMO encouraging decentralization or "peaceful divorce" is the best option. Take control of your state government. Have them put resources into state guards like DeSantis is doing, and create parallel systems. Remove dependence on federal money. THEN at some point when the feds demand something unreasonable, we simply say No. Ignore federal court rulings against us. Let them make the first move.
Why should I elaborate on all this in a thread about Brazil? Just don't make assumptions. I was criticizing you not for "saying Bolsonaro would be in the wrong for trying to overthrow democracy in Brazil", but for claiming that Bolsonaro was trying to overthrow democracy in Brazil. There is no evidence for that. But then you also had to invoke the liberal trope of Democracy as an unquestionably "Good Thing" that grants divine right of rule to The People and must never be challenged. Fuck that.
I dunno man, they've spent a long time conditioning the masses to accept any manner of tyranny if they come up with a good enough pretext for it.
'The person who shoots first is bad' might fly with the subset of people who are -
Perceptive enough to see through obvious propaganda
NOT perceptive enough to see the underlying issues and aggressions that sometimes makes violence an inevitability
but how many people are in that cohort? Awake enough to question, but not awake enough to see the war that's already happening and the outcome it leads to?
I mean, you're right, which side fires the first shot will define how the narrative plays out. But if they want to fire first they'll come up with some bullshit, lie-filled appeal to emotion to justify it, and a frightening amount of people will lap it up and beg for more.
And look at how many believe them nowadays, the mainstream media will always puppet but more people watch a UFC commentator comedian podcast than them and the national chant was fuck the president. They overplayed their hand and their authority is slipping through their fingers like sand.
Another best example was the recent Nordstream 1 sabotage, the mainstream media, NATO leaders and country leaders all tried to say Russia blew up their own pipeline. What was the main sentiment people had: "why the fuck did the US blow up the pipeline are they trying to start WW3!?" They've lost too much creditabilty due to ineffective domestic governance that outside their useful idiots, they don't have enough support to stop a mass uprising if they go tyrannical.
It is heartening to see people reject obvious lies, but I worry many of those aren't actually independent thinkers, just the easily led types who happen to be pointing their tribalism in the right direction.
I'm probably being too blackpilled pilled here, it's just frightening how easy it is for liars with power to lead the masses to destructive conclusions. But there is hope. Thanks.