As a walking ball of simmering rage, I see the benefits in not being that.
But the stuff he says is amazing!
Again, I've seen it a thousand times across dozens of guys. Not the specific ones, but the same paranoid working backwards nonsense. Including blaming for every war (such as the Civil War, ghetto culture, and all other black related problems only happening because women wanting BBC subtly pushed importing more and more slaves until the system couldn't handle them anymore and we ended up in all those situations).
But, unlike most of yous guys around here I've been in the "culture war" for over two decades so all the new stuff is trite to me.
As a walking ball of simmering rage, I see the benefits in not being that.
Best of all is if you are able to be either calm or fiery depending on the situation.
Again, I've seen it a thousand times across dozens of guys. Not the specific ones, but the same paranoid working backwards nonsense. Including blaming for every war (such as the Civil War, ghetto culture, and all other black related problems only happening because women wanting BBC subtly pushed importing more and more slaves until the system couldn't handle them anymore and we ended up in all those situations).
That is hilarious! I guess you're so used to it that it's not funny anymore. But for me, it's interesting to hear stuff that I cannot imagine anyone I know saying.
But, unlike most of yous guys around here I've been in the "culture war" for over two decades so all the new stuff is trite to me.
Best of all is if you are able to be either calm or fiery depending on the situation.
I cannot. I am just a powderkeg of impotent rage brought on by the aforementioned decades in this clash.
What was the scene like in 2002?
Imagine how it is right now when you talk to centrists and normies, but its literally just you alone screaming into the void. At best, they humor you (like you do to him), at worst you are attacked for questioning things like "are women actually that wonderful though?"
Those were the days when sexist/misogynist had a lot of weight, and were slung around easy. So a simple J'accuse and you are run out of any community you join, and forced to watch as the cancer spreads exactly like you say but no one notices until its dead but they put together no dots and its just random chance that it happened.
At least a few years later the internet (or at least me gaining regular access to it) would allow you to find a few like minded people to feel less like you are crazy, but then most of them are in fact so crazy you feel crazy all over again. Hate, you find, is the only thing powerful enough to "wake" someone up to question these things.
And so you become echo chambers of rage, simply because the only way new members join is because they have been wronged so badly it shook their entire mind and they can only be brought into a fold where their anger is stoked.
But as is always the case, no one is truly committed. Anger is weak and easily dissipated. The divorced dad seething about child support gets affection from a cute girl and suddenly he thinks women "can be good if raised right" and we are all closed minded misogynists. Or someone thinks that simply "talking to them, they will understand reason if you logically lay it out" is effective. Or "well we don't need to be mean, we have to maintain our moral highground and that's how we win. People will see how crazy they are and stop supporting them." And when both of those fail, they balk at the idea of doing anything else. Godforbid they be rough, cruel, or rude. And don't you dare imply things like "universal suffrage or abolishing gender roles" are mistakes, that has nothing to do with the current state of things.
I could go on and on, but I'm sure you see the similarities to how little things have changed. It even had the same "guy who just started paying attention thinks this problem just started and his idea will fix everything" that plagued KIA1 so badly.
As well as why I have such empathy to incels, stormfags, and all those other allhated groups. I've been that guy before and I understand the process one has to go through to go from the "exploding seethe" phase to a more nuanced grasp of the issue. In fact, waaaaaay back in the early KIA2 days, our subject Mr Impossible asked me about that very topic as his senior.
I cannot. I am just a powderkeg of impotent rage brought on by the aforementioned decades in this clash.
That is not ideal, as you said. Most effective both as a strategy and for one's own health is being a happy warrior. Hell, even Imp is so much more effective when he's not "FUCK THE WOMENS!" but sort of makes jokes at their expense.
Imagine how it is right now when you talk to centrists and normies, but its literally just you alone screaming into the void. At best, they humor you (like you do to him), at worst you are attacked for questioning things like "are women actually that wonderful though?"
Wait, what? Things were actually worse? I dare not ask, but how come I never noticed before 2014? It literally was like it appeared from one day to the next. Although, to confess, that women are better than men is something I would have said before 2014...
Those were the days when sexist/misogynist had a lot of weight, and were slung around easy. So a simple J'accuse and you are run out of any community you join,
Worse than today? They may not carry much weight with us anymore, but I'm pretty sure that for those who run communities it still carries a lot of weight.
But as is always the case, no one is truly committed. Anger is weak and easily dissipated. The divorced dad seething about child support gets affection from a cute girl and suddenly he thinks women "can be good if raised right" and we are all closed minded misogynists.
Ah yes. That is a problem when you come to the conclusion that "all women are bad". It's a weak argument, because even a single instance of a woman not being terrible, that you cannot rationalize away in Imp-fashion, will break the spell.
Hell, even without anger you can have the same thing. Did you catch how several minority race members turned on GG? Quite respected members. I think you know of Wolphoenix but not the other - because he posted under an alt. Actually, I had asked the latter to remove Wolphoenix as a mod earlier - he dutifully asked for evidence that he had gone off the rails, removed him, and told me that Social Justice is a "disease". Fast forward two years, and he himself falls victim to the disease. I didn't get the chance to diagnose what went wrong with him.
Godforbid they be rough, cruel, or rude.
This may be a better argument than you suggest. Rough, cruelty and rudeness should always be strategic, never emotional. It's unfortunate but true that when you are fighting a metaphorical insurgency, they get to be cruel, rough and rude without being punished for it, while you cannot (always). That is why MLK and his folks always told people to be on their best behavior and in their Sunday best.
And don't you dare imply things like "universal suffrage or abolishing gender roles" are mistakes, that has nothing to do with the current state of things.
I agree with them that saying that women shouldn't be able to vote has little use. All it does is antagonize the women who are on your side. It's never going to happen, at least in the current system, so why waste credibility on something like that?
I could go on and on, but I'm sure you see the similarities to how little things have changed. It even had the same "guy who just started paying attention thinks this problem just started and his idea will fix everything" that plagued KIA1 so badly.
Ah yes, I definitely thought it just started. Actually, though I obviously know what you say is correct, in my mind this started in 2014. I was just living my life and no one was bothering me about race or gender. Then suddenly.
As well as why I have such empathy to incels, stormfags, and all those other allhated groups
You have a soft spot for bastards, cripples and broken things?
To be completely honest, I have a tiny bit of sympathy for Stormfags as well, if they weren't so obnoxious and ruining communities. They're persecuted everywhere. But that means they come to me and if I don't do anything about them, they will ruin my community.
Incels, not so much. Even those who don't say stuff like "women deserve to be raped" think they are somehow entitled to the bodies of others.
In fact, waaaaaay back in the early KIA2 days, our subject Mr Impossible asked me about that very topic as his senior.
I can't even imagine Impossible recognizing anyone as his senior.
I'm aware. Its an unfortunate mixture of my genetics (both my mother and grandmother share the same "stress and blow up over minor things" trait) and a long life. Its likely that not being part of this whole shebang wouldn't have avoided it, but doing so certainly has contributed.
I dare not ask, but how come I never noticed before 2014?
Most people need a significant jolt to their system to notice. Something too big that their mind can't just file away or rationalize. For guys back then, it was one woman screwing them over so hard and the world just fucking watching/laughing. In 2014 it was good ol' Gamergate.
Even those primed to notice, like say the TIA guys, often just pushed it as "those aren't real X, just crazy extremists with no power." Which is one of the lines that helped the Woke get into power, because now any evidence you showed of anything was just isolated incidents and not indicative of anything.
Did you catch how several minority race members turned on GG?
I did. That's why I always devil's advocate people on anyone "LOOK AT THIS WOMAN/BLACK GUY SUPPORTING US! BAAAAAAASED!!!" Because most of the time its just tokenism on their part, and very rarely do those guys do more than grift for a while before turning back.
And of course, because even if they pay lip service to it, they won't support a movement that tries to actively strip away their privileges. They'll pretend to, but then make sure to lead down a path that will never get there. Its one reason why MRAs failed by letting Karen Straughn, and her pathetic band of Honey Badgers, run the movement. It was truly hilarious when they showed up in KIA to try and grift, and it was me alone again yelling against them.
That is why MLK and his folks always told people to be on their best behavior and in their Sunday best.
MLK could do what he did because enough people actually cared and supported him in the first place for it to work. If he was starting from zero, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere and he would have been stamped out like nothing. Which is what this side of the "culture war" always loses out to.
Remember that the most effective thing ever done was messaging advertisers and all those OPs, which within weeks was considered "cruel" and "no better than them." Its one of the reasons KIA1 became a little cuck cage of containment, everyone was too scared to be "like them" so they just sat their impotently whining.
That and any actual thought beyond "they crazy!" would require some introspection on the "actually mostly left wing" community about how maybe being pro-gay/tranny/women/everything woke isn't actually a good thing even without the crazy.
All it does is antagonize the women who are on your side.
Who wants them on our side? Forgive my cringe comparison, but there is a reason why in 300 Leonidas rejected the ogre. Numbers aren't worth the risk of having holes in your line. Like I said early up, they will drag your movement down.
Is it a winning strategy? Nope, and I'm aware of such. This isn't a game that can be won though. The empire will have to crumble for such, all I think to accomplish is saving as many men as I can along the way.
You have a soft spot for bastards, cripples and broken things?
Well I did get a degree in counseling and therapy. I focused it entirely on therapy for young men when I could. My senior project was on incels even.
What you see as awful, entitled, or destructive I just see guys who "woke up" and are dealing through their anger at being lied to for X years. I've seen countless go through it, some of which I caused that wake up, and its not an easy process. Shit I still have days when I fall back into its spiral and have to shake it off.
I can't even imagine Impossible recognizing anyone as his senior.
He was more stable then, though that might have been just Reddit self censorship. From how he made it sound he had only been at this a short time, maybe less than a few years, while I had that near two decades of anti-feminist misogyny under my belt. He didn't listen to much of what I said, which is how we reached the current point.
As a walking ball of simmering rage, I see the benefits in not being that.
Again, I've seen it a thousand times across dozens of guys. Not the specific ones, but the same paranoid working backwards nonsense. Including blaming for every war (such as the Civil War, ghetto culture, and all other black related problems only happening because women wanting BBC subtly pushed importing more and more slaves until the system couldn't handle them anymore and we ended up in all those situations).
But, unlike most of yous guys around here I've been in the "culture war" for over two decades so all the new stuff is trite to me.
Best of all is if you are able to be either calm or fiery depending on the situation.
That is hilarious! I guess you're so used to it that it's not funny anymore. But for me, it's interesting to hear stuff that I cannot imagine anyone I know saying.
What was the scene like in 2002?
I cannot. I am just a powderkeg of impotent rage brought on by the aforementioned decades in this clash.
Imagine how it is right now when you talk to centrists and normies, but its literally just you alone screaming into the void. At best, they humor you (like you do to him), at worst you are attacked for questioning things like "are women actually that wonderful though?"
Those were the days when sexist/misogynist had a lot of weight, and were slung around easy. So a simple J'accuse and you are run out of any community you join, and forced to watch as the cancer spreads exactly like you say but no one notices until its dead but they put together no dots and its just random chance that it happened.
At least a few years later the internet (or at least me gaining regular access to it) would allow you to find a few like minded people to feel less like you are crazy, but then most of them are in fact so crazy you feel crazy all over again. Hate, you find, is the only thing powerful enough to "wake" someone up to question these things.
And so you become echo chambers of rage, simply because the only way new members join is because they have been wronged so badly it shook their entire mind and they can only be brought into a fold where their anger is stoked.
But as is always the case, no one is truly committed. Anger is weak and easily dissipated. The divorced dad seething about child support gets affection from a cute girl and suddenly he thinks women "can be good if raised right" and we are all closed minded misogynists. Or someone thinks that simply "talking to them, they will understand reason if you logically lay it out" is effective. Or "well we don't need to be mean, we have to maintain our moral highground and that's how we win. People will see how crazy they are and stop supporting them." And when both of those fail, they balk at the idea of doing anything else. Godforbid they be rough, cruel, or rude. And don't you dare imply things like "universal suffrage or abolishing gender roles" are mistakes, that has nothing to do with the current state of things.
I could go on and on, but I'm sure you see the similarities to how little things have changed. It even had the same "guy who just started paying attention thinks this problem just started and his idea will fix everything" that plagued KIA1 so badly.
As well as why I have such empathy to incels, stormfags, and all those other allhated groups. I've been that guy before and I understand the process one has to go through to go from the "exploding seethe" phase to a more nuanced grasp of the issue. In fact, waaaaaay back in the early KIA2 days, our subject Mr Impossible asked me about that very topic as his senior.
That is not ideal, as you said. Most effective both as a strategy and for one's own health is being a happy warrior. Hell, even Imp is so much more effective when he's not "FUCK THE WOMENS!" but sort of makes jokes at their expense.
Wait, what? Things were actually worse? I dare not ask, but how come I never noticed before 2014? It literally was like it appeared from one day to the next. Although, to confess, that women are better than men is something I would have said before 2014...
Worse than today? They may not carry much weight with us anymore, but I'm pretty sure that for those who run communities it still carries a lot of weight.
Ah yes. That is a problem when you come to the conclusion that "all women are bad". It's a weak argument, because even a single instance of a woman not being terrible, that you cannot rationalize away in Imp-fashion, will break the spell.
Hell, even without anger you can have the same thing. Did you catch how several minority race members turned on GG? Quite respected members. I think you know of Wolphoenix but not the other - because he posted under an alt. Actually, I had asked the latter to remove Wolphoenix as a mod earlier - he dutifully asked for evidence that he had gone off the rails, removed him, and told me that Social Justice is a "disease". Fast forward two years, and he himself falls victim to the disease. I didn't get the chance to diagnose what went wrong with him.
This may be a better argument than you suggest. Rough, cruelty and rudeness should always be strategic, never emotional. It's unfortunate but true that when you are fighting a metaphorical insurgency, they get to be cruel, rough and rude without being punished for it, while you cannot (always). That is why MLK and his folks always told people to be on their best behavior and in their Sunday best.
I agree with them that saying that women shouldn't be able to vote has little use. All it does is antagonize the women who are on your side. It's never going to happen, at least in the current system, so why waste credibility on something like that?
Ah yes, I definitely thought it just started. Actually, though I obviously know what you say is correct, in my mind this started in 2014. I was just living my life and no one was bothering me about race or gender. Then suddenly.
You have a soft spot for bastards, cripples and broken things?
To be completely honest, I have a tiny bit of sympathy for Stormfags as well, if they weren't so obnoxious and ruining communities. They're persecuted everywhere. But that means they come to me and if I don't do anything about them, they will ruin my community.
Incels, not so much. Even those who don't say stuff like "women deserve to be raped" think they are somehow entitled to the bodies of others.
I can't even imagine Impossible recognizing anyone as his senior.
I'm aware. Its an unfortunate mixture of my genetics (both my mother and grandmother share the same "stress and blow up over minor things" trait) and a long life. Its likely that not being part of this whole shebang wouldn't have avoided it, but doing so certainly has contributed.
Most people need a significant jolt to their system to notice. Something too big that their mind can't just file away or rationalize. For guys back then, it was one woman screwing them over so hard and the world just fucking watching/laughing. In 2014 it was good ol' Gamergate.
Even those primed to notice, like say the TIA guys, often just pushed it as "those aren't real X, just crazy extremists with no power." Which is one of the lines that helped the Woke get into power, because now any evidence you showed of anything was just isolated incidents and not indicative of anything.
I did. That's why I always devil's advocate people on anyone "LOOK AT THIS WOMAN/BLACK GUY SUPPORTING US! BAAAAAAASED!!!" Because most of the time its just tokenism on their part, and very rarely do those guys do more than grift for a while before turning back.
And of course, because even if they pay lip service to it, they won't support a movement that tries to actively strip away their privileges. They'll pretend to, but then make sure to lead down a path that will never get there. Its one reason why MRAs failed by letting Karen Straughn, and her pathetic band of Honey Badgers, run the movement. It was truly hilarious when they showed up in KIA to try and grift, and it was me alone again yelling against them.
MLK could do what he did because enough people actually cared and supported him in the first place for it to work. If he was starting from zero, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere and he would have been stamped out like nothing. Which is what this side of the "culture war" always loses out to.
Remember that the most effective thing ever done was messaging advertisers and all those OPs, which within weeks was considered "cruel" and "no better than them." Its one of the reasons KIA1 became a little cuck cage of containment, everyone was too scared to be "like them" so they just sat their impotently whining.
That and any actual thought beyond "they crazy!" would require some introspection on the "actually mostly left wing" community about how maybe being pro-gay/tranny/women/everything woke isn't actually a good thing even without the crazy.
Who wants them on our side? Forgive my cringe comparison, but there is a reason why in 300 Leonidas rejected the ogre. Numbers aren't worth the risk of having holes in your line. Like I said early up, they will drag your movement down.
Is it a winning strategy? Nope, and I'm aware of such. This isn't a game that can be won though. The empire will have to crumble for such, all I think to accomplish is saving as many men as I can along the way.
Well I did get a degree in counseling and therapy. I focused it entirely on therapy for young men when I could. My senior project was on incels even.
What you see as awful, entitled, or destructive I just see guys who "woke up" and are dealing through their anger at being lied to for X years. I've seen countless go through it, some of which I caused that wake up, and its not an easy process. Shit I still have days when I fall back into its spiral and have to shake it off.
He was more stable then, though that might have been just Reddit self censorship. From how he made it sound he had only been at this a short time, maybe less than a few years, while I had that near two decades of anti-feminist misogyny under my belt. He didn't listen to much of what I said, which is how we reached the current point.