Best of all is if you are able to be either calm or fiery depending on the situation.
I cannot. I am just a powderkeg of impotent rage brought on by the aforementioned decades in this clash.
What was the scene like in 2002?
Imagine how it is right now when you talk to centrists and normies, but its literally just you alone screaming into the void. At best, they humor you (like you do to him), at worst you are attacked for questioning things like "are women actually that wonderful though?"
Those were the days when sexist/misogynist had a lot of weight, and were slung around easy. So a simple J'accuse and you are run out of any community you join, and forced to watch as the cancer spreads exactly like you say but no one notices until its dead but they put together no dots and its just random chance that it happened.
At least a few years later the internet (or at least me gaining regular access to it) would allow you to find a few like minded people to feel less like you are crazy, but then most of them are in fact so crazy you feel crazy all over again. Hate, you find, is the only thing powerful enough to "wake" someone up to question these things.
And so you become echo chambers of rage, simply because the only way new members join is because they have been wronged so badly it shook their entire mind and they can only be brought into a fold where their anger is stoked.
But as is always the case, no one is truly committed. Anger is weak and easily dissipated. The divorced dad seething about child support gets affection from a cute girl and suddenly he thinks women "can be good if raised right" and we are all closed minded misogynists. Or someone thinks that simply "talking to them, they will understand reason if you logically lay it out" is effective. Or "well we don't need to be mean, we have to maintain our moral highground and that's how we win. People will see how crazy they are and stop supporting them." And when both of those fail, they balk at the idea of doing anything else. Godforbid they be rough, cruel, or rude. And don't you dare imply things like "universal suffrage or abolishing gender roles" are mistakes, that has nothing to do with the current state of things.
I could go on and on, but I'm sure you see the similarities to how little things have changed. It even had the same "guy who just started paying attention thinks this problem just started and his idea will fix everything" that plagued KIA1 so badly.
As well as why I have such empathy to incels, stormfags, and all those other allhated groups. I've been that guy before and I understand the process one has to go through to go from the "exploding seethe" phase to a more nuanced grasp of the issue. In fact, waaaaaay back in the early KIA2 days, our subject Mr Impossible asked me about that very topic as his senior.
I cannot. I am just a powderkeg of impotent rage brought on by the aforementioned decades in this clash.
That is not ideal, as you said. Most effective both as a strategy and for one's own health is being a happy warrior. Hell, even Imp is so much more effective when he's not "FUCK THE WOMENS!" but sort of makes jokes at their expense.
Imagine how it is right now when you talk to centrists and normies, but its literally just you alone screaming into the void. At best, they humor you (like you do to him), at worst you are attacked for questioning things like "are women actually that wonderful though?"
Wait, what? Things were actually worse? I dare not ask, but how come I never noticed before 2014? It literally was like it appeared from one day to the next. Although, to confess, that women are better than men is something I would have said before 2014...
Those were the days when sexist/misogynist had a lot of weight, and were slung around easy. So a simple J'accuse and you are run out of any community you join,
Worse than today? They may not carry much weight with us anymore, but I'm pretty sure that for those who run communities it still carries a lot of weight.
But as is always the case, no one is truly committed. Anger is weak and easily dissipated. The divorced dad seething about child support gets affection from a cute girl and suddenly he thinks women "can be good if raised right" and we are all closed minded misogynists.
Ah yes. That is a problem when you come to the conclusion that "all women are bad". It's a weak argument, because even a single instance of a woman not being terrible, that you cannot rationalize away in Imp-fashion, will break the spell.
Hell, even without anger you can have the same thing. Did you catch how several minority race members turned on GG? Quite respected members. I think you know of Wolphoenix but not the other - because he posted under an alt. Actually, I had asked the latter to remove Wolphoenix as a mod earlier - he dutifully asked for evidence that he had gone off the rails, removed him, and told me that Social Justice is a "disease". Fast forward two years, and he himself falls victim to the disease. I didn't get the chance to diagnose what went wrong with him.
Godforbid they be rough, cruel, or rude.
This may be a better argument than you suggest. Rough, cruelty and rudeness should always be strategic, never emotional. It's unfortunate but true that when you are fighting a metaphorical insurgency, they get to be cruel, rough and rude without being punished for it, while you cannot (always). That is why MLK and his folks always told people to be on their best behavior and in their Sunday best.
And don't you dare imply things like "universal suffrage or abolishing gender roles" are mistakes, that has nothing to do with the current state of things.
I agree with them that saying that women shouldn't be able to vote has little use. All it does is antagonize the women who are on your side. It's never going to happen, at least in the current system, so why waste credibility on something like that?
I could go on and on, but I'm sure you see the similarities to how little things have changed. It even had the same "guy who just started paying attention thinks this problem just started and his idea will fix everything" that plagued KIA1 so badly.
Ah yes, I definitely thought it just started. Actually, though I obviously know what you say is correct, in my mind this started in 2014. I was just living my life and no one was bothering me about race or gender. Then suddenly.
As well as why I have such empathy to incels, stormfags, and all those other allhated groups
You have a soft spot for bastards, cripples and broken things?
To be completely honest, I have a tiny bit of sympathy for Stormfags as well, if they weren't so obnoxious and ruining communities. They're persecuted everywhere. But that means they come to me and if I don't do anything about them, they will ruin my community.
Incels, not so much. Even those who don't say stuff like "women deserve to be raped" think they are somehow entitled to the bodies of others.
In fact, waaaaaay back in the early KIA2 days, our subject Mr Impossible asked me about that very topic as his senior.
I can't even imagine Impossible recognizing anyone as his senior.
I'm aware. Its an unfortunate mixture of my genetics (both my mother and grandmother share the same "stress and blow up over minor things" trait) and a long life. Its likely that not being part of this whole shebang wouldn't have avoided it, but doing so certainly has contributed.
I dare not ask, but how come I never noticed before 2014?
Most people need a significant jolt to their system to notice. Something too big that their mind can't just file away or rationalize. For guys back then, it was one woman screwing them over so hard and the world just fucking watching/laughing. In 2014 it was good ol' Gamergate.
Even those primed to notice, like say the TIA guys, often just pushed it as "those aren't real X, just crazy extremists with no power." Which is one of the lines that helped the Woke get into power, because now any evidence you showed of anything was just isolated incidents and not indicative of anything.
Did you catch how several minority race members turned on GG?
I did. That's why I always devil's advocate people on anyone "LOOK AT THIS WOMAN/BLACK GUY SUPPORTING US! BAAAAAAASED!!!" Because most of the time its just tokenism on their part, and very rarely do those guys do more than grift for a while before turning back.
And of course, because even if they pay lip service to it, they won't support a movement that tries to actively strip away their privileges. They'll pretend to, but then make sure to lead down a path that will never get there. Its one reason why MRAs failed by letting Karen Straughn, and her pathetic band of Honey Badgers, run the movement. It was truly hilarious when they showed up in KIA to try and grift, and it was me alone again yelling against them.
That is why MLK and his folks always told people to be on their best behavior and in their Sunday best.
MLK could do what he did because enough people actually cared and supported him in the first place for it to work. If he was starting from zero, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere and he would have been stamped out like nothing. Which is what this side of the "culture war" always loses out to.
Remember that the most effective thing ever done was messaging advertisers and all those OPs, which within weeks was considered "cruel" and "no better than them." Its one of the reasons KIA1 became a little cuck cage of containment, everyone was too scared to be "like them" so they just sat their impotently whining.
That and any actual thought beyond "they crazy!" would require some introspection on the "actually mostly left wing" community about how maybe being pro-gay/tranny/women/everything woke isn't actually a good thing even without the crazy.
All it does is antagonize the women who are on your side.
Who wants them on our side? Forgive my cringe comparison, but there is a reason why in 300 Leonidas rejected the ogre. Numbers aren't worth the risk of having holes in your line. Like I said early up, they will drag your movement down.
Is it a winning strategy? Nope, and I'm aware of such. This isn't a game that can be won though. The empire will have to crumble for such, all I think to accomplish is saving as many men as I can along the way.
You have a soft spot for bastards, cripples and broken things?
Well I did get a degree in counseling and therapy. I focused it entirely on therapy for young men when I could. My senior project was on incels even.
What you see as awful, entitled, or destructive I just see guys who "woke up" and are dealing through their anger at being lied to for X years. I've seen countless go through it, some of which I caused that wake up, and its not an easy process. Shit I still have days when I fall back into its spiral and have to shake it off.
I can't even imagine Impossible recognizing anyone as his senior.
He was more stable then, though that might have been just Reddit self censorship. From how he made it sound he had only been at this a short time, maybe less than a few years, while I had that near two decades of anti-feminist misogyny under my belt. He didn't listen to much of what I said, which is how we reached the current point.
Even those primed to notice, like say the TIA guys, often just pushed it as "those aren't real X, just crazy extremists with no power." Which is one of the lines that helped the Woke get into power, because now any evidence you showed of anything was just isolated incidents and not indicative of anything.
They still make this argument, and it's just gaslighting at this point. But now, I think it is malevolence rather than naivite. Because they always first argue that "it's not happening" and when proven that it is, they say that it is actually a good thing.
And of course, because even if they pay lip service to it, they won't support a movement that tries to actively strip away their privileges. They'll pretend to, but then make sure to lead down a path that will never get there.
I hesitate to ask, but do you know that I'm an ethnic minority as well? I'm certainly not 'pretending' anything, and I don't want any privileges. The privileges bestowed on people based on race are foremost unjust, and secondly are not doing any good anyway. My personal beef is that I find it quite degrading to receive privileges based on race. Not to mention that it makes you beholden to the worst people in the world. Just look at how often they attack Clarence Thomas for allegedly receiving racial benefits that he never asked for.
Its one reason why MRAs failed by letting Karen Straughn, and her pathetic band of Honey Badgers, run the movement. It was truly hilarious when they showed up in KIA to try and grift, and it was me alone again yelling against them.
I'm glad you were the only one. They did us a service with that lawsuit, even if they lost.
I'm less concerned with something being a grift (which cannot be proven one way or the other) than with the value that is provided. A lot of leftists surely are grifting as well, but their patrons gladly give them money to spread propaganda. If you want to win, you have to do what it takes.
MLK could do what he did because enough people actually cared and supported him in the first place for it to work. If he was starting from zero, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere and he would have been stamped out like nothing. Which is what this side of the "culture war" always loses out to.
This is absolutely right. But like I said, it's got to be strategic. You should be rude when it gets you attention and that benefits you, and you should be polite to a fault when a feminist jackass is screaming in your face and calling you a 'rape apologist' - just to heighten the contrast and make them look worse. Or maybe get outraged because people will otherweise assume that since you are not bothered by it, it must have a kernel of truth.
My point is: be rude or polite not based on principle, but on whatever is expedient.
Remember that the most effective thing ever done was messaging advertisers and all those OPs, which within weeks was considered "cruel" and "no better than them." Its one of the reasons KIA1 became a little cuck cage of containment, everyone was too scared to be "like them" so they just sat their impotently whining.
I'm still happy that it exists. Some people's constitution will only tolerate that level of confrontation, and for them, KiA1 provides a good service. And those who can tolerate more come to us.
That and any actual thought beyond "they crazy!" would require some introspection on the "actually mostly left wing" community about how maybe being pro-gay/tranny/women/everything woke isn't actually a good thing even without the crazy.
Here I am also more moderate than you. A lot of people aren't going to join if they do not view it as pro-gay/whatever. It's better to lure in the pro-gay people and gradually reform them, than to scare them away by being overtly right-wing - since the right is regarded as a boogeyman.
In all honesty, in 2014 I regarded Republicans as sexist, racist and evil. Everyone whose experience is from the media and not the real world does. If GG was openly Republican, I'd never have joined. What use it is to preach to the choir?
Who wants them on our side? Forgive my cringe comparison, but there is a reason why in 300 Leonidas rejected the ogre. Numbers aren't worth the risk of having holes in your line. Like I said early up, they will drag your movement down.
I have a cringe comparison of my own. You take the Lenin position, I the Martov position (I guess you are a Bolshevik). Someone does not need to agree with me 100% to be my valuable brother-at-arms.
Is it a winning strategy? Nope, and I'm aware of such. This isn't a game that can be won though. The empire will have to crumble for such, all I think to accomplish is saving as many men as I can along the way.
Ah. Our objectives differ. More solid regimes than the present one have collapsed, though none was as internationally rooted as this. The nature of any regime is that it looks invulnerable until it has almost fallen. Just look at Mubarak. To post more cringe from Lenin: there are days in which decades happen, and decades in which nothing happens.
I actually don't even need the regime to fall. Only to recognize that it's in its best interests to side with reasonable people over the woke.
What you see as awful, entitled, or destructive I just see guys who "woke up" and are dealing through their anger at being lied to for X years. I've seen countless go through it, some of which I caused that wake up, and its not an easy process. Shit I still have days when I fall back into its spiral and have to shake it off.
And I do understand that. But the "women deserve to be raped" stuff is creepy, particularly from people who have not been the victim of anything but the denial of intimacy. If every woman who was raped became such a rage-possessed beast, no one would be safe anywhere.
He was more stable then, though that might have been just Reddit self censorship. From how he made it sound he had only been at this a short time, maybe less than a few years, while I had that near two decades of anti-feminist misogyny under my belt. He didn't listen to much of what I said, which is how we reached the current point.
That makes sense. I understand the origin of your views, but not of his. He claims that his mother was great and that he had only OK relationships. It seems to me that he is the mirror image of the feminist who goes around looking for stories on the internet about how she is oppressioned, while never suffering any in real life.
But now, I think it is malevolence rather than naivite
I think willful ignorance/naivety is so indistinguishable from malice that the difference itself is meaningless. I treat them the same.
but do you know that I'm an ethnic minority as well?
Far as I knew you were some swarthy European, Mediterranean maybe. Doesn't matter, European racial/ethnic politics are not something I particularly involve with and have an entire different history and goals than American. I don't give large amounts of consideration to the various types of slavs any more than you can list the difference between hillbilly, coonass, cajun, acadian, creole, etc.
They did us a service with that lawsuit, even if they lost.
Ends justifying is never a good place. Trusting somebody you know to be untrustworthy because in retrospect it worked out for you is not a wise move. At least not in the "worship the ground they walk on because we are so desperate for ecelebs to notice us" sense that KIA was acting.
Some people's constitution will only tolerate that level of confrontation
I find it more placebo. It gives people a nice little happy place to pretend they are accomplishing and doing something, fighting the woke, when all they are doing is jerking off in their little echo chamber and convincing each other to never do anything else.
A lot of people aren't going to join if they do not view it as pro-gay/whatever
We will always differ on this. You are far more interested in growing numbers/community than I am, as well as optics. I've long since given up on such.
Someone does not need to agree with me 100% to be my valuable brother-at-arms.
I agree. But time has shown me that those brothers will balk and falter when we go beyond talk. Something I'm sure Lenin himself learned very well.
But the "women deserve to be raped" stuff is creepy, particularly from people who have not been the victim of anything but the denial of intimacy.
Underplaying the mental struggles they deal with while upplaying their words as unforgiveable is how you create boogeymen. I've been through this with you enough times before to know minds won't change, but they aren't as irredeemable or even wrong as you think.
I understand the origin of your views, but not of his.
Who knows, sometimes people are just off enough to notice things on their own and autistically stubborn enough to unravel shit by refusing to back down on it.
I cannot. I am just a powderkeg of impotent rage brought on by the aforementioned decades in this clash.
Imagine how it is right now when you talk to centrists and normies, but its literally just you alone screaming into the void. At best, they humor you (like you do to him), at worst you are attacked for questioning things like "are women actually that wonderful though?"
Those were the days when sexist/misogynist had a lot of weight, and were slung around easy. So a simple J'accuse and you are run out of any community you join, and forced to watch as the cancer spreads exactly like you say but no one notices until its dead but they put together no dots and its just random chance that it happened.
At least a few years later the internet (or at least me gaining regular access to it) would allow you to find a few like minded people to feel less like you are crazy, but then most of them are in fact so crazy you feel crazy all over again. Hate, you find, is the only thing powerful enough to "wake" someone up to question these things.
And so you become echo chambers of rage, simply because the only way new members join is because they have been wronged so badly it shook their entire mind and they can only be brought into a fold where their anger is stoked.
But as is always the case, no one is truly committed. Anger is weak and easily dissipated. The divorced dad seething about child support gets affection from a cute girl and suddenly he thinks women "can be good if raised right" and we are all closed minded misogynists. Or someone thinks that simply "talking to them, they will understand reason if you logically lay it out" is effective. Or "well we don't need to be mean, we have to maintain our moral highground and that's how we win. People will see how crazy they are and stop supporting them." And when both of those fail, they balk at the idea of doing anything else. Godforbid they be rough, cruel, or rude. And don't you dare imply things like "universal suffrage or abolishing gender roles" are mistakes, that has nothing to do with the current state of things.
I could go on and on, but I'm sure you see the similarities to how little things have changed. It even had the same "guy who just started paying attention thinks this problem just started and his idea will fix everything" that plagued KIA1 so badly.
As well as why I have such empathy to incels, stormfags, and all those other allhated groups. I've been that guy before and I understand the process one has to go through to go from the "exploding seethe" phase to a more nuanced grasp of the issue. In fact, waaaaaay back in the early KIA2 days, our subject Mr Impossible asked me about that very topic as his senior.
That is not ideal, as you said. Most effective both as a strategy and for one's own health is being a happy warrior. Hell, even Imp is so much more effective when he's not "FUCK THE WOMENS!" but sort of makes jokes at their expense.
Wait, what? Things were actually worse? I dare not ask, but how come I never noticed before 2014? It literally was like it appeared from one day to the next. Although, to confess, that women are better than men is something I would have said before 2014...
Worse than today? They may not carry much weight with us anymore, but I'm pretty sure that for those who run communities it still carries a lot of weight.
Ah yes. That is a problem when you come to the conclusion that "all women are bad". It's a weak argument, because even a single instance of a woman not being terrible, that you cannot rationalize away in Imp-fashion, will break the spell.
Hell, even without anger you can have the same thing. Did you catch how several minority race members turned on GG? Quite respected members. I think you know of Wolphoenix but not the other - because he posted under an alt. Actually, I had asked the latter to remove Wolphoenix as a mod earlier - he dutifully asked for evidence that he had gone off the rails, removed him, and told me that Social Justice is a "disease". Fast forward two years, and he himself falls victim to the disease. I didn't get the chance to diagnose what went wrong with him.
This may be a better argument than you suggest. Rough, cruelty and rudeness should always be strategic, never emotional. It's unfortunate but true that when you are fighting a metaphorical insurgency, they get to be cruel, rough and rude without being punished for it, while you cannot (always). That is why MLK and his folks always told people to be on their best behavior and in their Sunday best.
I agree with them that saying that women shouldn't be able to vote has little use. All it does is antagonize the women who are on your side. It's never going to happen, at least in the current system, so why waste credibility on something like that?
Ah yes, I definitely thought it just started. Actually, though I obviously know what you say is correct, in my mind this started in 2014. I was just living my life and no one was bothering me about race or gender. Then suddenly.
You have a soft spot for bastards, cripples and broken things?
To be completely honest, I have a tiny bit of sympathy for Stormfags as well, if they weren't so obnoxious and ruining communities. They're persecuted everywhere. But that means they come to me and if I don't do anything about them, they will ruin my community.
Incels, not so much. Even those who don't say stuff like "women deserve to be raped" think they are somehow entitled to the bodies of others.
I can't even imagine Impossible recognizing anyone as his senior.
I'm aware. Its an unfortunate mixture of my genetics (both my mother and grandmother share the same "stress and blow up over minor things" trait) and a long life. Its likely that not being part of this whole shebang wouldn't have avoided it, but doing so certainly has contributed.
Most people need a significant jolt to their system to notice. Something too big that their mind can't just file away or rationalize. For guys back then, it was one woman screwing them over so hard and the world just fucking watching/laughing. In 2014 it was good ol' Gamergate.
Even those primed to notice, like say the TIA guys, often just pushed it as "those aren't real X, just crazy extremists with no power." Which is one of the lines that helped the Woke get into power, because now any evidence you showed of anything was just isolated incidents and not indicative of anything.
I did. That's why I always devil's advocate people on anyone "LOOK AT THIS WOMAN/BLACK GUY SUPPORTING US! BAAAAAAASED!!!" Because most of the time its just tokenism on their part, and very rarely do those guys do more than grift for a while before turning back.
And of course, because even if they pay lip service to it, they won't support a movement that tries to actively strip away their privileges. They'll pretend to, but then make sure to lead down a path that will never get there. Its one reason why MRAs failed by letting Karen Straughn, and her pathetic band of Honey Badgers, run the movement. It was truly hilarious when they showed up in KIA to try and grift, and it was me alone again yelling against them.
MLK could do what he did because enough people actually cared and supported him in the first place for it to work. If he was starting from zero, it wouldn't have gotten anywhere and he would have been stamped out like nothing. Which is what this side of the "culture war" always loses out to.
Remember that the most effective thing ever done was messaging advertisers and all those OPs, which within weeks was considered "cruel" and "no better than them." Its one of the reasons KIA1 became a little cuck cage of containment, everyone was too scared to be "like them" so they just sat their impotently whining.
That and any actual thought beyond "they crazy!" would require some introspection on the "actually mostly left wing" community about how maybe being pro-gay/tranny/women/everything woke isn't actually a good thing even without the crazy.
Who wants them on our side? Forgive my cringe comparison, but there is a reason why in 300 Leonidas rejected the ogre. Numbers aren't worth the risk of having holes in your line. Like I said early up, they will drag your movement down.
Is it a winning strategy? Nope, and I'm aware of such. This isn't a game that can be won though. The empire will have to crumble for such, all I think to accomplish is saving as many men as I can along the way.
Well I did get a degree in counseling and therapy. I focused it entirely on therapy for young men when I could. My senior project was on incels even.
What you see as awful, entitled, or destructive I just see guys who "woke up" and are dealing through their anger at being lied to for X years. I've seen countless go through it, some of which I caused that wake up, and its not an easy process. Shit I still have days when I fall back into its spiral and have to shake it off.
He was more stable then, though that might have been just Reddit self censorship. From how he made it sound he had only been at this a short time, maybe less than a few years, while I had that near two decades of anti-feminist misogyny under my belt. He didn't listen to much of what I said, which is how we reached the current point.
They still make this argument, and it's just gaslighting at this point. But now, I think it is malevolence rather than naivite. Because they always first argue that "it's not happening" and when proven that it is, they say that it is actually a good thing.
I hesitate to ask, but do you know that I'm an ethnic minority as well? I'm certainly not 'pretending' anything, and I don't want any privileges. The privileges bestowed on people based on race are foremost unjust, and secondly are not doing any good anyway. My personal beef is that I find it quite degrading to receive privileges based on race. Not to mention that it makes you beholden to the worst people in the world. Just look at how often they attack Clarence Thomas for allegedly receiving racial benefits that he never asked for.
I'm glad you were the only one. They did us a service with that lawsuit, even if they lost.
I'm less concerned with something being a grift (which cannot be proven one way or the other) than with the value that is provided. A lot of leftists surely are grifting as well, but their patrons gladly give them money to spread propaganda. If you want to win, you have to do what it takes.
This is absolutely right. But like I said, it's got to be strategic. You should be rude when it gets you attention and that benefits you, and you should be polite to a fault when a feminist jackass is screaming in your face and calling you a 'rape apologist' - just to heighten the contrast and make them look worse. Or maybe get outraged because people will otherweise assume that since you are not bothered by it, it must have a kernel of truth.
My point is: be rude or polite not based on principle, but on whatever is expedient.
I'm still happy that it exists. Some people's constitution will only tolerate that level of confrontation, and for them, KiA1 provides a good service. And those who can tolerate more come to us.
Here I am also more moderate than you. A lot of people aren't going to join if they do not view it as pro-gay/whatever. It's better to lure in the pro-gay people and gradually reform them, than to scare them away by being overtly right-wing - since the right is regarded as a boogeyman.
In all honesty, in 2014 I regarded Republicans as sexist, racist and evil. Everyone whose experience is from the media and not the real world does. If GG was openly Republican, I'd never have joined. What use it is to preach to the choir?
I have a cringe comparison of my own. You take the Lenin position, I the Martov position (I guess you are a Bolshevik). Someone does not need to agree with me 100% to be my valuable brother-at-arms.
Ah. Our objectives differ. More solid regimes than the present one have collapsed, though none was as internationally rooted as this. The nature of any regime is that it looks invulnerable until it has almost fallen. Just look at Mubarak. To post more cringe from Lenin: there are days in which decades happen, and decades in which nothing happens.
I actually don't even need the regime to fall. Only to recognize that it's in its best interests to side with reasonable people over the woke.
And I do understand that. But the "women deserve to be raped" stuff is creepy, particularly from people who have not been the victim of anything but the denial of intimacy. If every woman who was raped became such a rage-possessed beast, no one would be safe anywhere.
That makes sense. I understand the origin of your views, but not of his. He claims that his mother was great and that he had only OK relationships. It seems to me that he is the mirror image of the feminist who goes around looking for stories on the internet about how she is oppressioned, while never suffering any in real life.
I think willful ignorance/naivety is so indistinguishable from malice that the difference itself is meaningless. I treat them the same.
Far as I knew you were some swarthy European, Mediterranean maybe. Doesn't matter, European racial/ethnic politics are not something I particularly involve with and have an entire different history and goals than American. I don't give large amounts of consideration to the various types of slavs any more than you can list the difference between hillbilly, coonass, cajun, acadian, creole, etc.
Ends justifying is never a good place. Trusting somebody you know to be untrustworthy because in retrospect it worked out for you is not a wise move. At least not in the "worship the ground they walk on because we are so desperate for ecelebs to notice us" sense that KIA was acting.
I find it more placebo. It gives people a nice little happy place to pretend they are accomplishing and doing something, fighting the woke, when all they are doing is jerking off in their little echo chamber and convincing each other to never do anything else.
We will always differ on this. You are far more interested in growing numbers/community than I am, as well as optics. I've long since given up on such.
I agree. But time has shown me that those brothers will balk and falter when we go beyond talk. Something I'm sure Lenin himself learned very well.
Underplaying the mental struggles they deal with while upplaying their words as unforgiveable is how you create boogeymen. I've been through this with you enough times before to know minds won't change, but they aren't as irredeemable or even wrong as you think.
Who knows, sometimes people are just off enough to notice things on their own and autistically stubborn enough to unravel shit by refusing to back down on it.