This Is A Violation Of Rule 2 According To Our Faggot Mod
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I didn't copy them. I made the rules in a rushed fashion because a) it wasn't clear that anyone was going to move over, 10% was AoV's guess and he was correct. b) We didn't really believe we had more than a month left before the whole sub was banned.
I prefer the term Preddit. None of the rules are duplicates though.
It was particularly a slur against a user.
The biggest threat I see has almost nothing to do with the comments themselves. Honestly, the offensiveness of one comment from another isn't really a problem to me. The issue is tactical in nature. What actions are designed to balkanize, subvert, or destroy the community.
I don't really care that specifically altmers called someone niggerfaggot specifically. What I care about is the two larger problems:
It is an excellent way to create drama, and will be weaponized by subversives to create a hostile and inhospitable environment which people will not want to engage with, including regular users. The barrier to entry is 0, this also means that to barrier to leaving is 0. This means that ideological subversives who squat only have to be irritating to drive people out. You can have a walled tolerant society, or an open intolerant one, but you can't have a walled intolerant society, nor an open and tolerant one. Some ethical conduct must be enforced, or subversives will create their own moral standing. It's why the same people screaming at me for being a zionist demand I treat 'stormfag' as an ethnic slur against whites. It's why Trumpeters make reports to me to remove some comments as Intentional Falsehoods, when they are just opinions. These are malicious actions designed to seize control of the sub from the userbase. Or even to destroy it utterly. It's not even really the drama that matters, it's the intent of people who recognize that drama.
This is one of the reasons that Voat was destroyed. A Libertine system allows the free flow of information warfare operations against the users. You can bet your ass you had FBI agents creating flame wars within the forum against FBI agents to balkanize and be wildly divisive.
The level of subversion and obsession by ideological factions is really extreme. For example, do you know why Ahaus667 is behaving the way he is right now? He's not actually sperging out, it's quite calculated. He's actually Imp's alt, and it's how Imp actually lashes out against me for banning him. Imp's a bit of a nut ball, but he's not an idiot, as he moderates a slew of subs. One thing he's doing here is using this alt of his to start shit with me. He's knowingly violating the rules, which is causing him to get banned. He's then engaging in ban evasion, and violating more rules, causing his additional alts to get more bans. All of this is being done to support the narrative of: "DoM is acting wildly out of control and is over-moderating comments! Look how obsessive he is, and how many bans he's throwing out!"
I do wonder if Impy is trying to seize control of the sub for his own purposes and put himself or a loyalist in place. He really doesn't need to. Then again, the ConsumeProduct Nazis are pulling the same stunt. These are aggressive factions that keep trying to secure digital territory. And those guys aren't even the ones I'm most worried about.
The Rule 2 shit is genuinely dangerous. It is exactly the type of thing that plays into the establishment's hand to kill online communities with legitimized force.
Prove it
Why?
...and that was over 2 years ago, and immediately received feedback pointing out flaws. Over time, you've received even more feedback. It's visible in the very 1st sticky.
I can argue for why X shouldn't exist and could be amicably addressed by Rule 1 and a new one mentioning WIN's ToS with minor amendments, but you took that decision out of our hands. Ignoring that, on very most basic technical terms:
You haven't exactly been consistently removing them in the past and I don't want you to be involved, that's why it sticks out. Again, we don't need this coddling necessarily; at the very least, we should be able to decide that 1st before your enforcement.
Same goes for the rest of your argument, which I've seen before. Again, we should be able to decide what risks we want as a community, and you can use account age / seniority as a litmus check or deep weight...and it won't always be pro-freedom: for example, the majority probably agree in that we do NOT want porn here.
If we lose this community due to our own insensibilities since things play out as you say, then we can go create and participate in others. Or you can successfully convince the core user base to be equally prescient as you. Either way, the community should decide.
And you can't justify everything with the bad-faith argument anyway. Rule 7 about '500 followers' is a good example of pure-Plebbit; if the absence of the rule results in bad-faith media postings, 'spam' succinctly covers it.
I don't know about that, but he was spamming this forum before the latest controversy and then doubled-down worse afterward. We're fine with nuking unnecessary floods of posts; 1 complaint thread for visibility is a perfectly good compromise.
However, the drama actually exists because some of us have always held this rule base with contempt. Latest incident is being leveraged to vent, otherwise we'd downvote the rest, block if wanted, and move on.
Is it illegal within the jurisdiction and is it banned by WIN's terms? If not, then even though I agree to an extent, I still don't think you should be making judgments on what is 'dangerous'.
Porn and salacious material are entirely different content.
Max posts, reposts, and spam are still all different concepts.
Except I know how this plays out and the community is not going to have shit to say in it. One faction is going to dominate either through censorship or harassment. You're going to try and have a situation where "everybody decides", and in reality, you're just going to start a war. It's either going to look like KiA1 (abandoned), ConsumeProduct (explicitly Nazi), one of Imp's forums (explicitly incel), or VOAT (mostly shills and trolls).
And it's not like you have a real sense of community here. What do you all do? GoldenPains has a book club, but hardly anyone reads it. ACP is building a damned video game, and he's begging for playtesters.
If you want me to have less say over what should and shouldn't be allowed, who's the fucking pillar to the community that I can reach out to? Truth is, if I were to shut this community down, I don't think you'd notice after a week.
It's really not about whether or not you might 'lose' this community. I don't know what you are doing to keep it.
I don't have to make a judgement on the concept of the violence. It's beyond clear that calling for violence is dangerous in general.
I said each can be consolidated and you definitely can't argue in good faith that they can't.
Let it be the original posters who migrated here first, they had the most to lose.
We post threads and topics of interest, and read and reply. It's a message forum, what else there is to do? We aren't going to plan mutiny or treason, and we don't have any particular call to action since those days are gone.
But we'll point out censorious fucks and remind each other to boycott those companies, educate ourselves on the vax and seek out opinions when facing extremely hard choices, or merely amuse ourselves. Anonymity and some familiarity and thus empathy enables that.
People like YesMovement who kept this forum going in earlier days when the content was dry. Busy atm, but if you want a list of names, no worries -- I can collate them.
Report spam when infested with roaches; post gaming and culture news, even when I know the articles will be under-appreciated in terms of general interest; hell, I'm submitting posts extremely frequently despite preferring commentary over posts. And the above. Again, these are extremely natural.
We don't need a successful book club or game dev project to be a community. Those people knew it might be niche, and took that risk. That's OK.
Edit: Forgot to addresss:
Your judgment is questionable in latest case, as before maybe we should stick to illegality and WIN TOS. If not, core community buy-in should be critical.
you just incited violence against ConsumeProduct by calling the users nazis. in historical context shooting the nazis was justified and morally good.
The title of OP's post was to insinuate that shooting FBI agents was a good thing. I just called ConsumeProduct National Socialists because they are. Just because someone is a National Socialist, doesn't mean it's okay to punch them, let alone shoot them.
I wasn't targeting a user on him being Imp, and Imp apparently came in and shut me down on that, so clearly I was wrong.
All that being said, I absolutely don't think my actions are the biggest source of drama. I think that the efforts to intentionally balkanize the userbase are the biggest source of drama. The most legitimate complaints against me are that I don't moderate enough, not that I'm over moderating.
I see stuff like this as no different than a group of Feminists coming in, saying that men should kill themselves, then claiming I'm being overly subjective and divisive if I ban her. Literally, the white nationalists complain all the time that Imp is given unlimited ability to hate on white women, even though he's one of the single most banned users here. I'm accused of running special apologetics and defense of troons and jews because I don't allow people to call for either of them to be mass executed. Meanwhile, these same people are absolutely furious that I would dare to allow someone to call them a stormfag, and claim that it's an anti-white racial slur.
These are utterly bad faith arguments that are solely designed to pressure me to stop moderating (which I already do very little of), so that they can use unlimited amounts of social pressure on the rest of the user base.
No, I told you the grounding of my moderation philosophy. The specific case here is that he did violate Rule 2 by insinuating that killing FBI agents was necessary. Therefore, he got banned.
The rest of what he's doing is intentionally trying to cause drama to drive me out.
Well, duh. I'm in a position of (minimal) authority. Wherefore every subversive action needs to target me in order to undermine that authority and seize power for itself.
I'm not saying that any complaint is inherently subversive. It's that subversion requires me to be attacked in one way or another.