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This Is A Violation Of Rule 2 According To Our Faggot Mod (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 3 years ago by Ahaus667 3 years ago by Ahaus667 +47 / -0
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– DNA1 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

I didn't copy them. I made the rules in a rushed fashion

...and that was over 2 years ago, and immediately received feedback pointing out flaws. Over time, you've received even more feedback. It's visible in the very 1st sticky.

None of the rules are duplicates though.

I can argue for why X shouldn't exist and could be amicably addressed by Rule 1 and a new one mentioning WIN's ToS with minor amendments, but you took that decision out of our hands. Ignoring that, on very most basic technical terms:

  • Rules 4 and 5 could easily be combined for conciseness.
  • Rules 13 and/or 14 - depending on how pedantic you wish to be - can similarly be folded up into 11.

It was particularly a slur against a user.

You haven't exactly been consistently removing them in the past and I don't want you to be involved, that's why it sticks out. Again, we don't need this coddling necessarily; at the very least, we should be able to decide that 1st before your enforcement.

Same goes for the rest of your argument, which I've seen before. Again, we should be able to decide what risks we want as a community, and you can use account age / seniority as a litmus check or deep weight...and it won't always be pro-freedom: for example, the majority probably agree in that we do NOT want porn here.

If we lose this community due to our own insensibilities since things play out as you say, then we can go create and participate in others. Or you can successfully convince the core user base to be equally prescient as you. Either way, the community should decide.

And you can't justify everything with the bad-faith argument anyway. Rule 7 about '500 followers' is a good example of pure-Plebbit; if the absence of the rule results in bad-faith media postings, 'spam' succinctly covers it.

He's actually Imp's alt,

I don't know about that, but he was spamming this forum before the latest controversy and then doubled-down worse afterward. We're fine with nuking unnecessary floods of posts; 1 complaint thread for visibility is a perfectly good compromise.

However, the drama actually exists because some of us have always held this rule base with contempt. Latest incident is being leveraged to vent, otherwise we'd downvote the rest, block if wanted, and move on.

The Rule 2 shit is genuinely dangerous. It is exactly the type of thing that plays into the establishment's hand to kill online communities with legitimized force.

Is it illegal within the jurisdiction and is it banned by WIN's terms? If not, then even though I agree to an extent, I still don't think you should be making judgments on what is 'dangerous'.

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– DomitiusOfMassilia 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Rules 4 and 5 could easily be combined for conciseness.

Porn and salacious material are entirely different content.

Rule 13, 14, & 11

Max posts, reposts, and spam are still all different concepts.

If we lose this community due to our own insensibilities since things play out as you say, then we can go create and participate in others.

Except I know how this plays out and the community is not going to have shit to say in it. One faction is going to dominate either through censorship or harassment. You're going to try and have a situation where "everybody decides", and in reality, you're just going to start a war. It's either going to look like KiA1 (abandoned), ConsumeProduct (explicitly Nazi), one of Imp's forums (explicitly incel), or VOAT (mostly shills and trolls).

And it's not like you have a real sense of community here. What do you all do? GoldenPains has a book club, but hardly anyone reads it. ACP is building a damned video game, and he's begging for playtesters.

If you want me to have less say over what should and shouldn't be allowed, who's the fucking pillar to the community that I can reach out to? Truth is, if I were to shut this community down, I don't think you'd notice after a week.

It's really not about whether or not you might 'lose' this community. I don't know what you are doing to keep it.

If not, then even though I agree to an extent, I still don't think you should be making judgments on what is 'dangerous'.

I don't have to make a judgement on the concept of the violence. It's beyond clear that calling for violence is dangerous in general.

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– DNA1 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Porn and salacious material are entirely different content.

Max posts, reposts, and spam are still all different concepts.

I said each can be consolidated and you definitely can't argue in good faith that they can't.

One faction is going to dominate either through censorship or harassment.

Let it be the original posters who migrated here first, they had the most to lose.

And it's not like you have a real sense of community here. What do you all do?

We post threads and topics of interest, and read and reply. It's a message forum, what else there is to do? We aren't going to plan mutiny or treason, and we don't have any particular call to action since those days are gone.

But we'll point out censorious fucks and remind each other to boycott those companies, educate ourselves on the vax and seek out opinions when facing extremely hard choices, or merely amuse ourselves. Anonymity and some familiarity and thus empathy enables that.

If you want me to have less say over what should and shouldn't be allowed, who's the fucking pillar to the community that I can reach out to?

People like YesMovement who kept this forum going in earlier days when the content was dry. Busy atm, but if you want a list of names, no worries -- I can collate them.

It's really not about whether or not you might 'lose' this community. I don't know what you are doing to keep it.

Report spam when infested with roaches; post gaming and culture news, even when I know the articles will be under-appreciated in terms of general interest; hell, I'm submitting posts extremely frequently despite preferring commentary over posts. And the above. Again, these are extremely natural.

We don't need a successful book club or game dev project to be a community. Those people knew it might be niche, and took that risk. That's OK.

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I don't have to make a judgement on the concept of the violence. It's beyond clear that calling for violence is dangerous in general.

Your judgment is questionable in latest case, as before maybe we should stick to illegality and WIN TOS. If not, core community buy-in should be critical.

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