Back in undergrad there was the idea of "removing the stigma just enough so they seek treatment before they hurt anyone." Its a logical thought and I could have agreed to it in another world, because preventing suffering is more important than the thrill of retribution after they do it.
But we don't live in a world where that idea can be trusted in the slightest. It will just lead to more abuse, and less punishment when they do. So now, they get the rope or the cliff.
I said something similar. There's some grain of truth in what people like this say...but their motives can't be trusted, and the outcome of what they're advocating for would be monstrous on a level rarely seen in human history.
Their argument would have a lot more merit...if it wasn't clear that the powers that be were trying to normalize actual sex with children.
It's irrelevant if this particular crazy lady with problems glasses is also a pedo; she's absolutely being used by pedos and other degenerates, if she isn't one herself. Historically, she probably is though. The people who usually push this kind of acceptance are themselves either child touchers or aspiring child touchers.
Wouldn't the proper ideas be "reinforce and bulwark the idea that client-patient confidentiality is a thing" and "no matter what fucked up thing is in your head, your shrink has heard worse"?
The stigma doesn't matter. If you tell a tax lawyer that you sold weed illegally, their response should be "well, that's a sole proprietor farming business with a variety of expensible items", not running to facebook to publicize it. And it usually is. Because everyone knows lawyers and financial consultants adhere to client confidentiality. But for some reason, people don't seem to have that association with psychologists. Plenty of stigma against being in an active criminal enterprise, but the Mafia employs accountants and consultants.
So why would stigma be the issue with this case?
If anything, MORE stigma is useful. "If you're fucked up in the head in any way, go see a confidential brain-doctor, get it sorted before you get more fucked."
You don't need the "thrill of retribution". You just need to highlight that the DSM 4 is the definitive edition, DSM 5 is fanfiction, and get treating.
Getting people into the room is the hardest part across the entire industry. Most people who go to therapy have little need for it, and those who do don't recognize they have a problem to begin with. They've either built such a cushy headspace its doesn't even register its wrong, or they have justified it entirely.
Also the confidentiality clause is required to be broken if you are an immediate threat to yourself or others. Look at the immediate reaction most people have to just hearing the word pedo. They will absolutely consider you an immediate threat to children and report you. So there is good reason for not trusting that confidentiality either.
So the stigma problem is "getting help before you are a shaking mess one bad day from snapping" and the much more general "actually getting help instead of justifying it to yourself."
Back in undergrad there was the idea of "removing the stigma just enough so they seek treatment before they hurt anyone." Its a logical thought and I could have agreed to it in another world, because preventing suffering is more important than the thrill of retribution after they do it.
But we don't live in a world where that idea can be trusted in the slightest. It will just lead to more abuse, and less punishment when they do. So now, they get the rope or the cliff.
Exactly this.
I said something similar. There's some grain of truth in what people like this say...but their motives can't be trusted, and the outcome of what they're advocating for would be monstrous on a level rarely seen in human history.
Their argument would have a lot more merit...if it wasn't clear that the powers that be were trying to normalize actual sex with children.
It's irrelevant if this particular crazy lady with problems glasses is also a pedo; she's absolutely being used by pedos and other degenerates, if she isn't one herself. Historically, she probably is though. The people who usually push this kind of acceptance are themselves either child touchers or aspiring child touchers.
Wouldn't the proper ideas be "reinforce and bulwark the idea that client-patient confidentiality is a thing" and "no matter what fucked up thing is in your head, your shrink has heard worse"?
The stigma doesn't matter. If you tell a tax lawyer that you sold weed illegally, their response should be "well, that's a sole proprietor farming business with a variety of expensible items", not running to facebook to publicize it. And it usually is. Because everyone knows lawyers and financial consultants adhere to client confidentiality. But for some reason, people don't seem to have that association with psychologists. Plenty of stigma against being in an active criminal enterprise, but the Mafia employs accountants and consultants.
So why would stigma be the issue with this case?
If anything, MORE stigma is useful. "If you're fucked up in the head in any way, go see a confidential brain-doctor, get it sorted before you get more fucked."
You don't need the "thrill of retribution". You just need to highlight that the DSM 4 is the definitive edition, DSM 5 is fanfiction, and get treating.
Getting people into the room is the hardest part across the entire industry. Most people who go to therapy have little need for it, and those who do don't recognize they have a problem to begin with. They've either built such a cushy headspace its doesn't even register its wrong, or they have justified it entirely.
Also the confidentiality clause is required to be broken if you are an immediate threat to yourself or others. Look at the immediate reaction most people have to just hearing the word pedo. They will absolutely consider you an immediate threat to children and report you. So there is good reason for not trusting that confidentiality either.
So the stigma problem is "getting help before you are a shaking mess one bad day from snapping" and the much more general "actually getting help instead of justifying it to yourself."