Prior to abortion, it was very common for cities to have hordes of roving gangs of children who would steal shit and attack people. It was common in every city until abortion. The reverse is also true. Ceaușescu, the Romanian Dictator was violently deposed 18 years after he banned abortion in the country in order to fill the ranks of his military to be used in foreign wars. A huge number of people below the age of 16-25 were unemployed (IIRC something like 40%), in a country who's ideology demanded 0% unemployment.
If you banned abortion in California, New York, Illinois, Maryland, or New Jersey; then LA, SF, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Newark would all explode with crime in under 18 years. These cities are already on the verge of beginning to depopulate, but without a strong police presence and abortion facilitation, the crime rate would genuinely be out of control because these welfare systems simply can't handle such huge influxes of people without creating extreme underclasses. It's why DC is freaking out about Texas sending immigrants to DC while not being able to secure additional funding.
Communist states must depopulate to survive because the welfare state will be too bloated to manage. They have only a few options:
There literally no correlation between abortion and crime rates globally or even in America. Know what the leading cause of the crime wave was? Leaded products.
In the United States, the Environmental Protection Agency started an effort to phase out leaded gasoline in 1973. Starting in the 1970s, new vehicles were designed to run on unleaded gasoline. In fact, the new cleaner generation of cars couldn't run on leaded gasoline — it would destroy their catalytic converters.
Children, in particular, are vulnerable to even minute amounts of lead exposure, and the use of leaded gasoline has been linked to lower IQs and higher rates of violent crime. Lead exposure also causes heart disease, cancer and other diseases, and when burned in an engine, lead can easily contaminate air, water and soil.
Liberals tend to blame to stupidity of side effects of what we put in our bodies on social constructs and claim stupider shit like abortion lowers crime.
Ceaușescu, the Romanian Dictator was violently deposed 18 years after he banned abortion in the country in order to fill the ranks of his military to be used in foreign wars.
Ceaușescu died from anti communism not abortion…
Birth and death rate in Romania from 1950 to 2050. Decree 770 was signed by Nicolae Ceaușescu in 1967. The birthrate surged in 1967 and returned to its previous trend as people found ways to circumvent the decree.
Btw, the birth rate from the abortion “ban” never achieved the birth numbers of even a decade before…
You liberals always make the saddest arguments then point to things that make literally no sense as evidence. Crime would have skyrocketed long before the would be aborted turned 18…
Again the birth rates counter your claim. There was “more kids in the streets” when abortion was legal. One year of “abortion congruence” that quickly evaporated does not mean a scientific trend
Birth and death rate in Romania from 1950 to 2050. Decree 770 was signed by Nicolae Ceaușescu in 1967. The birthrate surged in 1967 and returned to its previous trend as people found ways to circumvent the decree.
This quote doesn't even have numbers in it besides years. You'll have to forgive me if I'm not convinced.
I'm gonna still bet that 40% unemployment rate for all those kids might be a problem. I'm willing to accept that I'm remembering something from a Romanian documentary (in Romanian), but I don't really get that from your quote.
I dont really have a dog in the hunt on whether or not abortion had an impact on crime rates. But if you think that Gizortnik is some Leftist type, you havent really been paying attention.
Honestly, I bet you it absolutely did.
Prior to abortion, it was very common for cities to have hordes of roving gangs of children who would steal shit and attack people. It was common in every city until abortion. The reverse is also true. Ceaușescu, the Romanian Dictator was violently deposed 18 years after he banned abortion in the country in order to fill the ranks of his military to be used in foreign wars. A huge number of people below the age of 16-25 were unemployed (IIRC something like 40%), in a country who's ideology demanded 0% unemployment.
If you banned abortion in California, New York, Illinois, Maryland, or New Jersey; then LA, SF, Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, Newark would all explode with crime in under 18 years. These cities are already on the verge of beginning to depopulate, but without a strong police presence and abortion facilitation, the crime rate would genuinely be out of control because these welfare systems simply can't handle such huge influxes of people without creating extreme underclasses. It's why DC is freaking out about Texas sending immigrants to DC while not being able to secure additional funding.
Communist states must depopulate to survive because the welfare state will be too bloated to manage. They have only a few options:
There literally no correlation between abortion and crime rates globally or even in America. Know what the leading cause of the crime wave was? Leaded products.
Liberals tend to blame to stupidity of side effects of what we put in our bodies on social constructs and claim stupider shit like abortion lowers crime.
Ceaușescu died from anti communism not abortion…
Btw, the birth rate from the abortion “ban” never achieved the birth numbers of even a decade before…
You liberals always make the saddest arguments then point to things that make literally no sense as evidence. Crime would have skyrocketed long before the would be aborted turned 18…
I've heard that allegation, but I'm not convinced that abortion didn't have an effect.
Yeah, and the reason those kids were there in the street is because the state didn't abort them.
Again the birth rates counter your claim. There was “more kids in the streets” when abortion was legal. One year of “abortion congruence” that quickly evaporated does not mean a scientific trend
This quote doesn't even have numbers in it besides years. You'll have to forgive me if I'm not convinced.
I'm gonna still bet that 40% unemployment rate for all those kids might be a problem. I'm willing to accept that I'm remembering something from a Romanian documentary (in Romanian), but I don't really get that from your quote.
I dont really have a dog in the hunt on whether or not abortion had an impact on crime rates. But if you think that Gizortnik is some Leftist type, you havent really been paying attention.
You apparently haven’t been, he’s consistently come to the defense of inane arguments from the “classical liberals” of yesteryear
Notice the two of you are using different words. Leftist and Liberal.