96% of US NOAA Weather Stations Sited Wrong, Inflate Temperature Record
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I'm aware of solar winds and the magnetosphere, that's why I think the argument is stupid.
You're talking about all the right things, I don't disagree with any of that, but what we can't ignore is the blindingly obvious thing you are dancing around. The emissions of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, resulting from the industrialization and the single largest population boom in all of human history.
There's a movie somewhere out there on YouTube about how re-introducing wolves into Yellowstone cause the course of rivers to change by reducing the number of beaver prey that were building dams. It's a cute explanation of how ecosystems change when you increase the number of certain animal.
Humans aren't just any predator. They are the most successful predator in all of Earth's history, cultivates entire ecosystems to their own benefit, created mutualistic relationships with other species, and expanded it's habitat to fucking space. It's not unreasonable to expect humans to effect their own climates, especially when their climate is the planet.
For a thought experiment, we can talk all about the varying weather effects that might effect Ireland's climate over the past 10,000 years. But if I dump 100 million wolves into Ireland, that's probably going to have massive effects on it's environment. Possibly dramatic enough effects to alter it's climate compared to what we've previously seen.
CO2 another greenhouse gases produced by humans through production is only a temporary fluctuator. And I'm not talking about just geological terms. We saw this with covid shutdown.
Temporary? The mass de-industrialization of the planet for year absolutely caused temperature fluctuations, yes. But the point is that outside one year, the amount of carbon emissions are effectively permanent and increasing because human energy demands aren't going to stop until the population of the Earth begins to stabilize somewhere around 10 billion people. Wherefore, the effects are also permanent as the concentration in the atmosphere also change, and ecology adapts in response.
This is one of the reasons why crazy people were suggesting "Climate Lockdowns", and the amount of damage that would be necessary to reduce temperatures fully to their pre-industrial levels is effectively apocalyptic. You'd unironically, kill billions.
These are not good ideas, but it does tell you how dramatically the climate has altered already, and is going to continue to do so.
The climate has been altered towards warming for over a 100,000 years. It's in a warming cycle from the last true ice age. It has not reached the zenith and will not for thousands of years. The younger Dryas, the year without a summer, the dark ages freeze, these are all flukes caused by temporary conditions, and of them, the younger dryas lasted a long time because it was caused by a massive comet and its pieces striking/exploding over the earth. It takes hundreds of years for our atmosphere to fully cycle, pollution is fucking horrible, but it is not the only cause for our rising temperatures and it is not even a leading cause.
The destruction of so much green life has caused a massive problem, and we need to address it. We are having an effect, but it's poisoning our environment, not changing the climate. We have yet to reach even the highs and lows of what experienced 500 years ago. It might happen, it might not. The thing is, what we are experiencing is not the climate, it's the destruction of our habitat that mitigates all these fucking changes.
I don't understand how you can possibly believe these things simultaneously.
We are having a massive effect on our environment, not even necessarily just poisoning it, but terraforming it. We change the course of rivers at will, we drain aquifers, we devastate state-sized forests and replace them with millions of acres of farm land we introduce new species, and we alter the chemical balance of the atmosphere. We introduced chemicals that actually depleted the ozone layer for a few decades just because of what chemicals we used in air conditioners and refrigerators. Hell, we may have made ourselves retarded with lead poisoning.
But effecting our climate? That's too far?
It's like you're looking at Meteor Crater, AZ, and explaining how this was all very likely caused by erosion.
Not from the data I've seen. We're well above the average temperatures from 500 years ago.
Think man, why wouldn't the climate change from the destruction of a habitat?