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Bill Burr on abortion (youtu.be)
posted 3 years ago by dekachin 3 years ago by dekachin +38 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Why is something that is going to be a baby not still count as a baby?

Why would it? Does an acorn count as an oak tree?

I reminded him that's most kids until about 5 years old, people with severe disabilities and most elderly since they need tons of constant care.

Viability is just the ability to live outside the womb. Why on earth would you give legal protection to a fertilized egg after conception, which has no self-awareness, no brain, no heart, nothing at all that makes humans what they are.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Not really. The acorn does not need to be fertilized, after all.

And do you think an acorn that 'sprouted' as the same of an actual oak tree?

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Only in that its started the process, and when left to its own devices will become an oak tree.

Right, but that was not the question. The question was whether it should be considered a tree as is.

Granted, I think no less of someone digging up a sprouted acorn than I do of someone who chops down an oak tree

Seems a bit of a psycho thing to do, yes. But supposing someone had a good reason for it, I'd rather have that than chopping down an oak tree.

In the mean time, we apply transitory boundaries to something we don't even philosophically understand; that being existence.

Supposing that we do not understand it, how reasonable is it to draw one extreme line rather than another?

How transitory? If a man kills a pregnant woman, he will be charged with double murder.

Anti-abortionists were very clever to pass such laws, because that enables this sort of 'logic'. But the act itself would be no better or worse if such laws did not exist.

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– FuckYourBullshit 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Does an acorn count as an oak tree?

Because whether you want an apple tree, palm tree or a fir, that acorn will always grow into an oak tree. The only difference is if you kill it before it has that chance to grow. It doesn't matter how many people outside the acorn say that it's just a clump of cells, if you let it grow it becomes an oak tree.

Why on earth would you give legal protection to a fertilized egg after conception, which has no self-awareness, no brain, no heart, nothing at all that makes humans what they are.

Because if you don't as I said, there are millions of people who lack the ability to live on their own, so why should they be given legal protection if a fertilized egg doesn't?

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Because whether you want an apple tree, palm tree or a fir, that acorn will always grow into an oak tree. The only difference is if you kill it before it has that chance to grow. It doesn't matter how many people outside the acorn say that it's just a clump of cells, if you let it grow it becomes an oak tree.

But does that make it an actual oak tree, and we don't treat it as such.

You seem to be arguing against the pro-abortion position that the fertilized egg is not "human". I'm not making that argument. Obviously, it is a human organism. But it's nowhere near developed enough to merit legal protection of any kind.

Because if you don't as I said, there are millions of people who lack the ability to live on their own, so why should they be given legal protection if a fertilized egg doesn't?

Like I said: they are viable: they're not attached to someone else's body for sustenance, nor will they die if they are disconnected.

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– FYI_Muslims_Inbreed 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

But it's nowhere near developed enough to merit legal protection of any kind

Why does anyone merit legal protection of any kind?

they are viable: they're not attached to someone else's body for sustenance, nor will they die if they are disconnected.

Aside from being an arbitrary and subjective standard, it's also dumb and false.

We all depend on someone else's body for sustenance. Where do you think food comes from? 410 farm workers died on the job last year in the USA. Farming is one of the deadliest jobs.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Why does anyone merit legal protection of any kind?

I assume because I am more valuable than a clump of cells.

We all depend on someone else's body for sustenance. Where do you think food comes from? 410 farm workers died on the job last year in the USA. Farming is one of the deadliest jobs.

And they provide this voluntarily. There's no one person you can point to and say that you depend on that person.

If you did though, would that mean that this individual is in bondage to you, that he has to perform unpaid services to ensure that you stay alive? I'd say only if this is what you chose.

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– krzyzowiec 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Seems pretty arbitrary. It can’t live outside of the womb as a baby without assistance, so why is that such a significant milestone?

Why on earth would you give legal protection to a fertilized egg after conception, which has no self-awareness, no brain, no heart, nothing at all that makes humans what they are.

Because you know what it will become in X weeks assuming that you don’t kill it. I mean, why do we give extra legal protection to children? They are more protected than adults even though they are far less emotionally and mentally developed. Yet we know they will become adults with full legal rights at some point.

Maybe that’s because they are more vulnerable, and less capable of defending themselves? Now how does a fertilized egg compare to a child? Seems even more helpless, and perhaps that makes it even more worthy of legal protection.

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– MattTheBlack 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Am acorn isn't a human dude

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