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The Atlantic Tells Us About “Good” and “Bad” Liberty (media.communities.win)
posted 4 years ago by Ahaus667 4 years ago by Ahaus667 +66 / -0
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– Gizortnik 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

The Magna Carta was a threat FROM HIS DIRECT LORDS, not the peasants. It was a drama within the kings court.

Yeah, and the peasants had less of an ability to resist the will of the king than the fucking Barons did. Hell, most of the Magna Carta was about taxes and tribute, and who do you think the Barons were getting their money from to pay those taxes?

It is utter idiocy that you think that kings literally can't effect their subjects when the very purpose of a king is to protect them. Who fills his armies with levies? Who fills his ships with grain? Who's paying the taxes? Who's paying the tribute? Who's paying the Guilds? Why is the King's face on all the coins that peasants use for trade?

It must be fucking magical since the King doesn't effect his subjects.

This is as stupid as saying, "No no, presidents don't effect the economy. Donald Trump ending of restrictions, regulations, and lowering of taxes had nothing to do with the economic growth we saw. Absolutely nothing. Also, you can't blame inflation on Joe Biden."

You'd have to believe that 99%+ of history was just masses of people wallowing in misery without fullfilment for arbitrary reasons.

So you couldn't deal with the facts I just laid out to you, so you attacked a strawman.

You clearly don't even keep up on current libertarian thought, such as Hoppe who is the intellectual backbone of the Mises caucus which recently took the LP

Except I have, and the opposition is to Democracy as a concept, not the acceptance of absolute monarchy. Libertarian Absolute Monarchies aren't a thing, and never have been.

it also makes you unable to threaten any other power,

It's cute that you think that, despite every proper libertarian and AnCap subversion having to be attacked with unrelenting government force.

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– TentElephant 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Who fills his armies with levies? Who fills his ships with grain? Who's paying the taxes? Who's paying the tribute? Who's paying the Guilds?

The King's direct vassals that have an agreement for such things with the King.

This is as stupid as saying, "No no, presidents don't effect the economy. Donald Trump ending of restrictions, regulations, and lowering of taxes had nothing to do with the economic growth we saw. Absolutely nothing. Also, you can't blame inflation on Joe Biden."

President's have a much larger effect on people than feudal Lords. You can only conceive of the power of a modern state concentrated in the hands of one person, which just is absurd, instead of a large series agreements.

Except I have

Obviously not, I've been laying out basic Hoppe.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

The King's direct vassals that have an agreement for such things with the King.

And who exactly is inside of all those uniforms, and holding all those weapons that the vassals are raising???

This is like the "car accident" of Waukesha. Who was in the vehicle?

WHY DID I HAVE THE BOWL, BART?

President's have a much larger effect on people than feudal Lords. You can only conceive of the power of a modern state concentrated in the hands of one person, which just is absurd, instead of a large series agreements.

This is how I know you literally don't understand anything about Feudalism. If I'm a peasant I'm literally living on the Lord's fucking land, and am required to farm for him and meet his quotas! Lords, Barons, and Kings had more control over the economy than governments do in modern times, specifically because of this arrangement, and because all business was conducted through a guild system.

Capitalism was an innovation that removed these structures and allowed for less government intervention. When you live on someone else's land to farm for them, and have pledged the lives of your grandchildren to that same guy, saying that he doesn't have an effect on you is beyond asinine.

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