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Empire To Expand NATO In Response To War Caused By NATO Expansion (ronpaulinstitute.org)
posted 4 years ago by NotAGlowy 4 years ago by NotAGlowy +26 / -0
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– Grumman 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

I think the title oversimplifies things. Ukraine wasn't just an eastward advance of the Western Bloc, it was one accomplished by backing the Euromaidan revolution against the Russian-aligned government.

Sweden and Finland, on the other hand, are not subverted Russian clients; they're doing this because they don't trust Russia without the security of Article Five. It's the difference between Cuba joining the USSR and a Canadian puppet government doing the same.

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– CatoTheElder 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

So Ukraine is Bay of pigs.

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– APDSmith 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

It's more the leading NATO players manufacturing another mujahedeen on which to break the Russian military.

As the article states, the only apparent reason to prevent Ukraine trying to sue for peace is to to run a sales pitch for Thales and Raytheon, as manufacturers of the Starstreak and NLAW for Thales and the Stinger and Javelin for Raytheon, and to see just how badly it's possible to attrit the Russian military before China assesses them as an easier target than us.

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– SupremeReader 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

the only apparent reason to prevent Ukraine trying to sue for peace is

Ukrainian nationalism.

Zelensky was suspected being a secret Russian puppet by them, they won't take it easy if he really becomes one (in their eyes). There won't be a peace, just a civil war, and way worse than the one in Ireland (that was already worse then the Irish war of independence that preceded it). Or the complete chaos like in Chechnya 1996-1999 (radicals making trouble after a peace treaty again), before the Russian tanks came back. It's not Georgia 2008, it's more like Georgia in the early 1990s.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

No one was "joining the USSR" after 1945 (Königsberg). It was the Warsaw Pact of countries bordering each other with Soviet garrisons in each of them (so Soviet tanks could keep governments in check and drive in to bring them down if some wanted to leave, as in Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, and allegedly almost Poland 1981).

Then there were "the sattelites", who could adjoin the Soviet state (like Afghanistan) or not (like Cuba). Many socialist countries were just simply "fraternal" allies without being subjegated puppet states like Afghanistan would become. Some countries fucked off from the Moscow orbit, like Yugoslavia or Somalia, and sooner or later and more or less aligned with America instead while proclaiming the Third World officially.

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– Grumman 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Right. I meant "joining" as in "teaming up with" and not "being assimilated by."

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