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YouTuber Ethan Klein calls for bombing of NRA conference (thepostmillennial.com)
posted 4 years ago by Lurker404 4 years ago by Lurker404 +90 / -0
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– SupremeReader 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

What date was when Poroshenko said this, and did they do it? Because if it was after the ceasefire, all was going was the slugfest at Donetsk Airport (and the mostly evacuated villages held by Ukraine - few old people refused to leave) and later also Debaltseve was wrecked by Russians (regulars too, like at Ilovaisk earlier). The rest was low intensity trench warfare in completely depopulated areas with mortars and tanks at most (arty pulled back), with civs usually dying from old mines and unexploded ordnance if from anything at al (it was closely monitored by the OSCEE and the UN)l. Oh, and when Mariupol and Kramatorsk were suddenly hit by rockets, which maybe what so upset Poroshenko.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

What date was when Poroshenko said this

October of 2014, according to the FT. https://archive.ph/mPX5r

and did they do it?

Bragging about it seems to confirm that they did. If Putin had said this, it would be front-page news for months.

But it's OK when their allies do it - anything is OK if the friends of the West do it.

Oh, and when Mariupol and Kramatorsk were suddenly hit by rockets, which maybe what so upset Poroshenko.

I doubt it, political leaders do not care about us ordinary folk. Only if they can use us.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

So it was followed by more of the ceasefire, except the places where the Russians kept attacking saying the ceasefire agreement didn't cover these (Donetsk Airport zone chiefly). But yeah, outrageous. Words are violence.

Mariupol was hit in January 2015. I don't know what they aimed at, if anything. At Kramatorsk next month they targeted (and mostly missed) its militarized airport that served as an HQ. It was during the Debaltseve offensive. Debaleteve itself got it much worse. There was no response in kind actually.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

So it was followed by more of the ceasefire, except the places where the Russians kept attacking saying the ceasefire agreement didn't cover these (Donetsk Airport zone chiefly). But yeah, outrageous. Words are violence.

Clearly specifying your intent to commit crime against humanity while shelling civilian areas seems like it is damning, but unfortunately, there is the friend-enemy distinction again.

You may ask yourself why I have no trouble at all condemning the bad stuff Russia does, but you have trouble condemning this sort of thing.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

By only responding in kind, in the sort of "sow winds reap whirlwind" speech by Bomber Harris, except only as populist rehtoric to some local people wanting revenge and not actual intent.

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